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Pandelta
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jun 24, 2012 Post Count: 55 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I want to build a computer right now too, but I decided to wait until fall. If you really want to spend 2k on something then wait till sometime in Sept-Nov time frame since both the 6/12 core Ivy Bridge-E and the new Ivy Bridge E5-2600v2 based 8/16, 10/20 and 12/24 core processors will be coming out. There is also a 15/30 core coming out but it will cost far too much. They are all socket 2011, except maybe the last one. The 8/16 and a couple of the slower 10/20 cores are expected to be less than $1000. The Ivy Bridge-E will run in the $600-$1000 which also means Sandy Bridge-E should continue to plummet between now and then, which also makes it a cheaper option. One good reason for waiting also is we don't yet know if HCC2 will be GPU or CPU. They are expected to announce that later this summer. Then you will know what route to take and know if you need lots of money for GPUs rather than CPUs.
----------------------------------------If you don't want to wait then consider buying multiple laptops since right now everything is CPU only. They take little power, produce little heat, have keyboard/touchpad/screen and built in battery backup. I paid only $550 for my 4/8 core Ivy and it makes a great cruncher. You can stick them almost anywhere, but I wouldn't plan to put them in a living room since they can get loud, but so will a cheap pc. [Edit 1 times, last edit by pandelta at Jul 5, 2013 1:32:34 PM] |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The PSU is the heart of any 24/7/365 cruncher. You don't want to cut corners there. I've seen PSU failures that took out the mobo and CPU along with them. 80 bronze certified is the minimum I would recommend. Gold or even platinum is even better. I would also recommend that you spend the money now to get a PSU that will run a high end graphics card in the future. That will save you from replacing the PSU later no matter what GPU you decide to get.
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Pandelta,
----------------------------------------I just promised my wife no more upgrades and LOOK WHAT YOU POINT OUT! "Ivy Bridge E5-2600v2 based 8/16, 10/20 and 12/24 core processors" Now I have to research... ![]() |
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Pandelta
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jun 24, 2012 Post Count: 55 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Pandelta, I just promised my wife no more upgrades and LOOK WHAT YOU POINT OUT! "Ivy Bridge E5-2600v2 based 8/16, 10/20 and 12/24 core processors" Now I have to research... LOL! At least you have a couple of months to save up, maybe take her out for a couple of nice dinners and soften her up! I have been researching them like mad. I really want a 10 core (20 virtual) processor but its all going to come down to price. I have listed the official release speeds that got leaked by ASRock on their mobo compatibility list. The current older 8 cores start around $1k and the low end 6 cores start at $420 so hopefully they come in where expected and start somewhere between them but i'm beginning to think its more likely going to be $1k+ because they can't undercut the new Ivy Bridge-E either so it depends a lot of those prices. Notice the speeds, the fastest is the 10 core @3.5ghz and also the slowest @1.7. Going to be interesting to see how they price everything. 10 Core 1.7Ghz 2.2 2.5 2.8 3.0 3.4 3.5 12 Core 2.4 2.7 8 Core 2.0 2.6 [Edit 1 times, last edit by pandelta at Jul 6, 2013 9:01:13 PM] |
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B2I
Senior Cruncher usa Joined: Jan 23, 2011 Post Count: 232 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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so what did you decide.
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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One dually can take the place of 3 systems. Easier to manage. If you shop wisely, you can build a dually under 2 grand. The processors may not be speed demons but those can be upgraded later on. Or start with one processor then add a second one later. Suggest an ssd for the OS and boinc program but a hard drive for the data drive. But if a dually isn't for you, you can build an i7 fairly inexpensive depending on components. Good luck and let us know what you build.
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Pandelta, I just promised my wife no more upgrades and LOOK WHAT YOU POINT OUT! "Ivy Bridge E5-2600v2 based 8/16, 10/20 and 12/24 core processors" Now I have to research... Nah, this would be better.... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-X-Xeon-EP-Intel,23477.html
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B2I
Senior Cruncher usa Joined: Jan 23, 2011 Post Count: 232 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Bearcat
----------------------------------------I would like to learn more about using server boards and multi-CPUs for crunching. I've put several I7s and a few high end AMD crunchers from cheap consumer grade parts. Every time I costed out a dual CPU build ( server board, special case, buffered/registered memory, etc)it came out more expensive than two low end i7 machines. But, looking over the roadmaps for CPUs, and the abysmal power increase in performance of Haswell, I suspect I might rethink a dual cpu/server board for my next build. So as to not hi-jack this thread how about a new thread on this? How about you or someone experienced in this type hardware/software, post a well thought out, cost effective build using dual or quad CPUs and let the rest of us ask questions and comment? ![]() |
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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2 types of ECC ram, registered and unbuffered dimms. Unless your doing critical nuclear physics work, you don't need registered ECC. Unbuffered dimms are cheaper. Don't buy xeons new unless you get a sweetheart deal. eBay and searches on the web will save you some cash. Xeons are pretty bullet proof but still buy from a reputable place that has a refund policy just in case you do get a DOA. You will want to have mobo, ram and PSU 1st so you can pop them in right away to insure they work. Figure out which ones you want. Suggest Nehelam or better since these have hyperthreading. Or go AMD for less expensive. You can run one processor in a multiprocessor board. Just have to pay attention to installing the ram. That's how I did it. Had 2 duallies built, over time. Sold one earlier this year. One mobo was purchased new, the other was a return newegg sold cheaper. If its just crunching, you don't need all the bells and whistles of a top end mobo. Get a basic one. The dual GPU ones cost more but you will be able to crunch with 2 GPUs if you can afford the electric bill. Pay attention to E and X series processors. There are a little different but the E series are easier on electricity.
----------------------------------------For cheap duallies already built, look for harpertowns rigs folks are dumping. Ram for those aren't cheap and run really hot. Strong crunchers though. Do use the electricity though. Had 2 of them awhile back. Actually 4 counting my Mac pros I had. Not sure if you want a quad processor setup. You will need a big case for that. Bigger than E-ATX from what I checked into awhile back. Could have changed since then. Quad xeons will be expensive and AMD has low ghz. I still consider doing one from time to time. One thing I have noticed on my dual X5670's is depending on project, write speeds can get bad. I crunch with 23 thread, leaving one free for OS overhead. Also use a SSD for OS and boinc but put boinc data on a hard drive. Some folks crunch on the SSD, I won't yet until they get cheaper. Tell me your thoughts on what speed you want out of a dually or bigger. The higher the ghz, the more it will cost. I picked the X5670's for good speed and a little easier on the electricity. The bigger ones are 130 watts. Think mine are 95 watts. If speed isn't a priority but core count is, the E5645s are cheap. BTW, what OS are you considering? If you know Linux a little, it's free but GPU support isn't the best but doable. Otherwise get win 7 OEM.
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Here is an idea you can look at:
----------------------------------------http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378R http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-6-CORE-PRO...s&hash=item2c70c1f4c1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139268 24 threads for around 1600 plus your hard drives and PSU. Has on board video to get going. Had these chips in my other dually that I sold and used a bronze rated 750 PSU. Worked great even with one 7870 GPU doing HCC1. Put this together for just an idea for you. The processors pretty much dictate your overal costs. Am sure others could chime in with better ideas.
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