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cameronpalte
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World Community Grid Computer

Hello,
I am interested in making a computer from scratch dedicated to running World Community Grid 24/7 with a budget of $2000. What do you guys recommend?
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Just my 2 cents . . . $2000.00 is far too much. You could only spend that much if WCG was hosting one or more GPU projects, but currently there aren't any. Look at the i7 family, do a lot of price checking and remember - - if you spend twice as much to get the latest board that is only 15% faster at most, you will end up kicking yourself. ("And the angels will weep!" A quote from "My Fair Lady". I like the way it was intoned. I rewatched that DVD many times. tongue )

Lawrence

Added: If you are spending money, do get a UPS power supply. Every time the lights flicker for 2 or 4 seconds, you will get an ineffable sense of superiority in your chest that is worth far more than the cost.
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I echo Lawrencehardin with a slight twist

Unless you have a personal goal of having one of the fastest hosts on WCG , put together the cheapest i7 rig you can find and then buy another one. Two low end I7s will beat a 2011 or multi core xeon workstation for a lot less money.

look for highly rated sale items. stay away from the high end board, unless you really want their features for some other reason than WCG. Unless you are anticipating more GPU projects, a 300 watt PS is all you need. Get the cheapest case that will accommodate the MB. I've found that the mini ATX usually gives the best bang for the buck. I've got a couple of rigs running caseless and they work great. If the MB has an internal on/off button your all set. If not buy a cheap switch or go really cheap and just figure out which pins to short to turn it on and use a screwdriver. Loads of fun and impresses your geek friends.

Keep this thread going. post a build list and keep us informed
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Don't be afraid to look to the used market. If you can find a good used i7 machine you can always modify it to your tastes with spending a ton of money. Good advice from both Lawrence and B21.God luck
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I put the parts I would get here, in order of importance:

#1 A fast i7 cpu, maybe the i7-3930k, i7-3770k or i7-4770k. Get the cheapest motherboard that will support it.

#2 Get a reliable SSD. Efficiency can be increased by making sure the CPU is not wasting cycles waiting for a spinning hard drive. I use Intel and OCZ ssd's and haven't had any issues with either.

#3 Don't bother with a video card, UNTIL a new gpu project comes out. At that time you can buy the best video card that works with that specific project.

#4 Get a good set of dual channel/quad channel ram kit depending on what the motherboard supports. Doesn't have to be top of the line as long as they are designed to play nice together.

#5 Get a case with good cooling.

#6 Invest in an aftermarket cooler. Liquid cooling is unnecessary, but a beefed up fan cooler like the hyper 212 along with Arctic silver 5 thermal paste is necessary for a 24/7 cool running operation.

Let us know what you decide and good luck with your build.
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good suggestion on the cooler. The hyper 212 is a great cooler for the money. I recommend staying from extreme overclocking which negates the need for the big money cooler. but the stock cooler is just not enough for a 100% 24/7 cruncher. I usually disable all the power saving features in the BIOS (they only help if the machine is goind to be idle or lightly loaded some of the time) and crank up the cpu to around 4 GHz with stock voltages. But, getting the cheapest non-overclockable MB is a good way to go also. Two stock speed units beats one extreme overclocked and will probably produce a better points to watt ratio. They will certainly be more stable.

Also, to keep the costs down, consider a free OS like Ubuntu, Mint, etc. I recommend ubuntu's latest LTS (Long Term Stable) release with gaurenteed support for 5 years.
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Two more things to think about.

If you want to have the option to do GPU crunching in the future, you might want to get a motherboard that will support more than one GPU. All of my motherboards are antiques and will only support one GPU; so I am suffering from some equipment envy.

If you plan to have several crunchers going and don't want keyboards, video and mice spread all over the place, get a KVM switch and run everything from one keyboard, video (monitor) and mouse. I currently have a 4 port KVM and use it to run 3-4 systems.
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Note on the case. I don't worry about the cooling rating of the case. I just run it without the side(s). the cooler will take care of the CPU. after it's up and running at 100%, I very carefully ground myself to the case and put my finger on the chipset heat sink. If it is uncomfortablly warm, I rig a small cheap fan to blow directlly on it.

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had rigs running non-stop through the hottest summer months in this configuration without problems.

Now if you have pets or small children around that could touch the board or the fans, forget this advice and go with a case with a lot of fans and vents as Ryann122 said.


Make sure to install TTrottle and set throttle back around 80c or so.

With a little cleverness and luck on sales, I belive you could put together 3 i7 riggs within your budget. That should give you appx 15,000 boink points per day.
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Note on running multi machines..an alternative to a KVM - plug in a cheap usb wireless stub for connectivity and install TeamViewer to access all machines from one full up computer. This allows me to place the headless units anywhere there is a electrical plug in.


Instead of a crunching farm, I have a crunchingr ranch. smile In the winter, I put them in the bathrooms to double as space heaters. I've got one at a remote cabin that keep pipes from freezing (internet connectivity via satellite).

I even give machines to reletives for free with the caveot that the keep them turned on 24/7 and let me occasionally access them via Team viewer to give them a tune up.

Works well - they get a free computer and someone else is paying for the electricity.

BTW: here is an example of a good cruncher MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138378


doesn't overclock but for $39, buy three!
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Note on memory: my i7s are running 8 tasks and rarely exceed 4 MB mem use. but I recommend 8 to ensure no disc swapping occurs. fast memory seems to help a little but stay in the value curve and leave the high end to the gamers with money to burn and something to prove.

Note on hard drives: SSDs are very nice in the fact that the OS boots up promptly. But for a 24/7 cruncher I recommend the cheapest reliable spinner HD you can find. Size doesn't matter much; 250 GBs are fine. I've got one i7 running 8 tasks concurrently on a, 12 year old, dead slow SATA 1 recycled 2.5" laptop drive and it puts out a solid 5K BOINC points per day. It does throw out some errors on CEP2 occasionally. but everything else is rock solid.

something like this would be perfect but watch for sales and refurbs and don't pay too much.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136770

Remember, if a dedicated cruncher's HDD fails, you've lost nothing but the work you haven't uploaded and the time to replace. Don't pay extra for server quality and reliability. just be prepared to fix it, reload the OS and BOINC, and keep on crunching
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