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RicktheBrick
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Intel in now producing the new Haswell microprocessor. According to this article http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040614/why-a-...r-thirst-for-tablets.html, it is the biggest advancement over a previous generation of microprocessor that Intel has ever made. I believe that one has no choice for now. If one is using their computer a lot than one will either pay for the electricity to run an old microprocessor or one will buy the new microprocessor and save the cost of the new microprocessor in electrical cost alone. I am sure that this will mean thousand of dollars in cost for some but it will mean less cost in the long run.
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Having a chip with power-saving features, and being able to actually use those features, are two different things. I suspect that if you're crunching like we do, then you won't notice quite so much of a difference.
There's bit more info here in el reg. |
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ryan222h
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According to this article http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040614/why-a-...r-thirst-for-tablets.html, it is the biggest advancement over a previous generation of microprocessor that Intel has ever made. Not even...the jump from the Pentiums to the Core microarchitecture was the biggest in recent years. Haswell in desktop form is between 0 and 10% percent faster than 3rd generation core processors, depending on workload. The new cpu's are quite impressive for mobile form factors however. That doesn't help what we do here much though. ![]() |
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jonnieb-uk
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And a less technical overview of the Haswell chip in this BBC article
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![]() So why not give my instant opinion on the little I have read about the new 4th gen Core architecture (Haswell)? Another 10% - 15% throughput per watt. Emphasis on low power, so it offers a number of models at 2.3 Ghz and 2.4 Ghz. A lot of power saving options for non-desktops. Close a laptop and the power drain cuts down to 5% while keeping everything refreshed in memory and periodically looks for incoming I/O. So it can receive messages and files over WiFi even while closed, unless the user actually turns it off. The high-end desktop processor runs at lower wattage and may not be able to fry eggs. Much improved built in graphics for those who want H.264 but do not plan to play games that need a graphics card. In all, much improved for mobile battery life. For desktops, less noisy fans for the same throughput, but it allows overclocking for those looking for space heaters. As I said before, about 10% - 15% better throughput per watt. ![]() ![]() Lawrence |
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B2I
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no intent to flame anyone here, just provide info. Understand, us crunchers are a special breed, what might be a break through for an average computer user, if not necessarily good for us. If this the"Haswell trend" continues, us crunchers might gravitate towards server cpus and board.
----------------------------------------Having read a few reviews, I believe Haswell will actually be worse for a dedicated desktop cruncher. First it actually uses more energy than Ivy Bridge at 100% and runs hotter while doing it. Second, there is little gain in computing power unless the application is programmed to take advantage of Advanced Vector Extensions 2 (AVX2), which I'm sure will not happen for several years considering the time it takes a science project for go from coding to ready for us. you need a new mother board and probably power supply. It seems the idle state draws so little power, many current power supplies will shut down at idle or sleep mode. There is little headroom for overclocking and if you do, you'll need the best cooler you can buy. So while Haswell is great for laptops and casual users of normal apps, if I were building a dedicated cruncher today, I have to go Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge E From Tom's Haswell runs a bit hotter, takes some voltage control out of your hands, eliminates the non-K overclocks, doesnât give enthusiasts access to the large L4 cache version, doesnât have TSX in the K parts, and, well, requires a new motherboard, too. Youâre probably wondering just where the hell the good news is for enthusiasts with Haswell.... From Xbit ...frankly speaking, this product is not that impressive at all, especially in the eyes of computer enthusiasts. We tested the top of the line desktop Haswell, Core i7-4770K, and drew a number of bitter conclusions. First, Core i7-4770K is just a little bit faster than the flagship Ivy Bridge processor. Microarchitectural improvements only provide a 5-15 % performance boost, and the clock frequency hasnât changed at all. Second, Core i7-4770K processor turned out a significantly hotter processor than the CPUs based on previous microarchitecture. Even though Haswell allows engineering energy-efficient processors with impressively low heat dissipation, its performance-per-watt has worsened a lot when they adjusted its characteristics to meet the desktop requirements. This resulted into the third item on this list: without extreme cooling Core i7-4770K overclocks less effectively than the previous generation overclocker processors. The specific CPU sample we tested this time allows us to conclude that these processors may get overheated at 4.4-4.5 GHz clock speeds even with high-performance air coolers. And fourth: Haswell processors require new LGA 1150 platform, which doesnât boast any unique advantages, but merely offers more USB 3.0 and SATA 6 Gbps ports. But currently this platform seems quite raw and awaits a new chipset stepping, which will fix some issues with the USB 3.0 controller. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by B2I at Jun 5, 2013 12:10:41 AM] |
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Sgt.Joe
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If this the"Haswell trend" continues, us crunchers might gravitate towards server cpus and board. Methinks you might be right. It seems the emphasis has been put on mobile applications and low power requirements. The server iteration may be different, but we will have to wait and see. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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ryan222h
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Intel's been milking this expensive quad core processor market for quite a few years, since at least 2006. Their upper mainstream product has no more than 4 cores and 8 threads. Surely they could offer a 6 core processor for the price of a 4770k. They just don't want to because they don't have to.
----------------------------------------Its just kind of annoying for people with important work to use those cores for. If we could still get a desktop with quite a bit more power than a laptop, more people would buy desktops. So Intel is to blame at least partly for the decline in desktop sales, along with Microsoft and Windows 8. Sorry didn't mean to be a Debby Downer, just had to vent a bit. ![]() |
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TimAndHedy
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I am always amazed that Intel does not get the fact that their faux upgrades are killing the standard PC industry.
----------------------------------------Perhaps they really can't improve performance, but I don't believe it. [Edit 1 times, last edit by TimAndHedy at Jun 8, 2013 4:15:52 AM] |
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BladeD
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I am always amazed that Intel does not get the fact that their faux upgrades are killing the standard PC industry. Perhaps they really can't improve performance, but I don't believe it. They are just looking at THEIR bottom line... |
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