[ot]Probably because you have the less venal police in Europe for what you can be proud

I also used to like your drug law making you (probably) the most advanced country in the world in combating of drug-related crimes. And you can be proud also on this.

Cheers [/ot]

Don't get me wrong I love how run time trys to put people on an level with each other. But I do not think it is perfect.

Let me play devils advocate here. For people that are able to crunch with a GPU ( I have one that is not great, but is fairly good). My GPU crunches an HCC GPU task ( which in my understanding is roughly the equivalent of 2 typical HCC tasks), in 30-40 minutes. In terms of total work done, doesn't it seem odd that someone only gets 40 minutes of run time for succesfully completing the project, while someone can do just as much work ( though far slower), and get 5 hours added to their run time?

Yes people that crunch WCG crunch it because they believe in the projects WCG hosts, not because they want points, but shouldn't people be recognized in some way for how much work they have helped accomplish, which as we know based on various technology levels is not directly comparable to run time?


Again I am playing devils advocate here a little. Oddly WCG is the only project ( I know of) that the points given for amount of computation done is not emphasized, and has next to no impact on badges.

AdamYusko, regardless as to whether a HCC WU (of which, there are two 'tasks' in each WU - and that's the same for whether it's crunched via a GPU or CPU (they're both taken from the same 'pot')), the time works out equivalent. Basically (to keep the math's simple), if 1 GPU WU is processed in 5 mins and 1 CPU WU is processed in 1 hr, yes, only that set amount of time is added to the run totals, BUT, 12 GPU WU's can be processed in the same time as it takes to crunch a CPU WU. Thus, the time is equivalent, whilst the points/results tally is 12x larger for the user with a GPU.

gb009761, Yes I do know that more points are given, but unless I am missing something the points mean next to diddly squat in World Community Grid. I understand they mean a bit more when you get to Boinc Stats. But I have almost completely stopped caring about boinc stats once I settled upon two projects as my focus. (World Community Grid, and GPU Grid).

World Community Grid instead puts far more emphasis on run time, which is why I am pointing out that run time has its flaws also. With no reason to care about points, there is less reason to want to work on WCG GPU tasks because you accomplish so much more work in less run time.


To compare it to an office setting, WCG has it set up " If you show up to work for 14 days, well give you a pin to show off to everyone, even if you are the slowest worker immaginable and only complete one thing." If employers did that it would seemingly remove incentive to complete several hundred jobs in those 14 days.

Again I am playing devils advocate here. I do not mind the world community grid system for CPUs, I just think how the GPU is handled should be reconsidered.

After reading the thread above, I would like to offer the following observations and suggest a way ahead.

It is only human nature to seek recognition and affirmation for doing a good thing. That's what the badges are about in the first place. Imagine what would happen if WCG took away all forms of regocnition and score keeping -- no points, no rank, completed WU count, no badges. How many members would we keep?

While the non-gpu users likely feel a little left behind these days in points, they are still racking up run time just as fast or faster than the GPU crunchers and therefore badges.

With the advent of faster and faster CPUs, the Blue badges come quickly if focused on, leaving no where to go.

I propose a simple solution that should give regognition where due and not go stale or become outdated for several years or ever.

At the 5 year mark, add a gold (or other contrasting color) Roman Numeral V (5) across the face of the badge, at 10 year the X, at 50, should anyone ever get there, the L, and so on.

And, to honor the multi-project cruncher add a new very simple badge say maybe a black diamon with a white V meaning 5 projects over 5 years, and an X meaning 10 projects over 10.

I doubt there would be any Diamond Xs presently but it might give some of the long term high performance members something to shoot for.

Just a suggestion. Thoughts?