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RicktheBrick
Senior Cruncher Joined: Sep 23, 2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I was thinking about purchasing a GPU but than I looked to IBM. IBM's record on contributions is in my opinion very poor. First they have over 100,000 devices and get about 1 result for every two devices. I have seen members that get in the hundreds of results per device. I get around 5 results per device but that is because I do not have 42 devices(I have 8 devices because the rest are just duplicates). Hard drive and computer replacements are the main reason. It seems to me that IBM is not investing in any GPUs since they have not seen a large increase in their results. In fact there was a time when IBM was getting over a 100,000 results a day but I suspect that was only done to get them to the top of all categories. I even suspect they used a supercomputer to do that. I have been contributing now for close to 15 years. Anyone can see that I just went over 7 years as a member of WCG but I also was a member of United Devices for over 7 years. Long time members will remember when IBM used UD software since a lot of this site has been taken from their site. Anyway I suspect that IBM could easily accomplish all of the GPU results because even if they had only 10,000 devices with high end GPU they could easily do 1,000,000 results a day. Look at the leaders in yesterday results and one will see several of them with more than 100 results per device.
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I don't think it's really fair to expect IBM to lead the way on much of anything here. I mean, if you want to start getting picky, just look at our forum software. You don't think they could spring for a copy of v.Bulletin instead of whatever "system" we're using right now?
----------------------------------------WCG has never been more than a charitable side project for IBM. Maybe and that's a big maybe, when it looked like there was a real future for widely distributed computing of the UD variety (I was there as well) IBM had some economic interest in the concept, but I doubt even that. IBM has always been about centralized computing. And the mere fact that they devote so few resources to WCG should be a clue to the fact that it's not much of a priority. Ergo, using them as your guidepost will certainly lead you down the wrong path.   [Edit 2 times, last edit by twilyth at Dec 21, 2012 6:11:32 PM] |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I think IBM has done a marvelous job of leading so to speak. They have devoted corporate resources to charitable causes attempting to make the world a better place. They may have some additional motives such as advancing the state of computing in general and maybe figuring how what they learn from this project can make its way into some of their products so they can continue to make a profit so they can continue to fund these types of projects. They may not be entirely altruistic, but we may all be better off because of their efforts.
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm not taking pot shots at IBM. I luvs big blue. I'm just calling it like I see it and I don't think you look to them if you want to see where the leadership in hardware is. They're not a hardware company any more you know.
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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IBM gets to write this off at the end of the year. WCG is a good humanitarian gesture for public relations for IBM. Like any other big business, there has to be some benefit for them to do this.
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BladeD
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First they have over 100,000 devices and get about 1 result for every two devices. But those devices are not just for WCG and most business PCs don't have GPUs that can be used here. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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But those devices are not just for WCG and most business PCs don't have GPUs that can be used here. Single most relevant point made so far - thanks. |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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IBM's record on contributions is in my opinion very poor huh.... not sure where you come from, but WCG exists mainly because of IBM. IBM donates the servers where WCG runs and the technical support for those servers (I'm pretty sure IBM has other important roles with WCG). It's not IBM's responsibility or obligation to be a top contributor to WCG. IBM facilitates the technology and resources so we ALL can participate in providing results for the scientists to find cures for illness and disease. CJSL Crunching for a better world... |
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astrolabe.
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I don't think it's really fair to expect IBM to lead the way on much of anything here. I mean, if you want to start getting picky, just look at our forum software. You don't think they could spring for a copy of v.Bulletin instead of whatever "system" we're using right now? This is actually a gold-plated perfect example of both a pot shot and a cheap shot. An accurate representation of the Oxford English Dictionary definition WCG has never been more than a charitable side project for IBM. Maybe and that's a big maybe, when it looked like there was a real future for widely distributed computing of the UD variety (I was there as well) IBM had some economic interest in the concept, but I doubt even that. IBM has always been about centralized computing. And the mere fact that they devote so few resources to WCG should be a clue to the fact that it's not much of a priority. Ergo, using them as your guidepost will certainly lead you down the wrong path...........  [Edit 1 times, last edit by astrolabe. at Dec 22, 2012 6:19:11 PM] |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't think it's really fair to expect IBM to lead the way on much of anything here. I mean, if you want to start getting picky, just look at our forum software. You don't think they could spring for a copy of v.Bulletin instead of whatever "system" we're using right now? This is actually a gold-plated perfect example of both a pot shot and a cheap shot. An accurate representation of the Oxford English Dictionary definition WCG has never been more than a charitable side project for IBM. Maybe and that's a big maybe, when it looked like there was a real future for widely distributed computing of the UD variety (I was there as well) IBM had some economic interest in the concept, but I doubt even that. IBM has always been about centralized computing. And the mere fact that they devote so few resources to WCG should be a clue to the fact that it's not much of a priority. Ergo, using them as your guidepost will certainly lead you down the wrong path........... OK, fine. Call it what you want, but it has the not insignificant virtue of being true. Look, the question revolved around the OP looking to IBM for guidance about what he should do regarding WCG. I said just take a look at this forum. That's more than fair. I'm serious. This software is . . . well, I won't even waste my breath characterizing it. Does that mean I think IBM sucks? Of course not. If you can only see things in black and white like a lot of people though, of course that will be your conclusion, but then again, a lot of people aren't very bright. [Edit 3 times, last edit by twilyth at Dec 22, 2012 6:33:32 PM] |
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