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sc_Arks
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Hardware for this project

Hello :)

I dont know if this is the best place to put this.

My question is: I am wondering if buying 1 over all good computer to dedicate for crunching for this project (and later for other projects) is better or worse than buying manny lesser computers?

Example:

Lets say a computer cost 1780 dollar. Will it do the same work as several http://screencast.com/t/AHOc2ROvliJX (the red arrows)?
I want to get to donate as much as possible to the project for as little money in hardware as possible:P

Thanks :)
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Re: Hardware for this project

Don't forget to factor in the cost of electricity. Make sure you look at the total cost of crunching and how efficient your setup may be.
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Re: Hardware for this project

Those are very inefficient ... going with a newer machine but not crazy addons will be your best bang for the buck.

The CPU itself is what defines how well a computer crunches and is also the component (aside from video card) is what uses the most electricity. Ram and disk play a relatively small part in the equation. If you are not going to play with the internal speed of the CPU (overclocking) I get an Intel Core i7-3770 processor or if buying a complete system at least make sure that is the processor it uses.
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Re: Hardware for this project

Although many BOINC projects are behind the curve, GPU computing will get you much more computational horsepower for your buck and energy consumption. HFCC doesn't have a GPU client; HCC does, and I'm sure that there will be more sub-projects that will want to take advantage of GPU computing soon.

Obviously, a more powerful CPU is going to get you more points if that's your goal. Number of cores is also going to be a factor with CPU computing, but make sure you have enough memory per core (at very least 1 GB per core, preferably 2 or more) to keep the single-threaded applications happy. Don't know if WCG is looking into multithreaded apps or not.

While there are those who spend a lot of money to get an edge in grid computing, my personal theory is that people shouldn't be bringing a bunch of hosts online just for that purpose, as it's rather wasteful of resources and energy. After all, the idea behind grid computing is to decentralize the work, so one group doesn't have to stock and maintain a large farm of computers.

We'll ignore the fact that I currently have six hosts (12 CPU cores, 3 GPUs) in the mix running 24/7 for badges on short-term projects--that's not something I normally do. In terms of badge hunting, actual performance isn't important as it would be with ponts--just the number of cores you have running, since badges are time-based. I have an old G3 300 MHz iBook running right now, just for badge purposes. One could say that it's even helping the badge situation, since it's not thrashing through work units as soon as they are sent.
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Re: Hardware for this project

For crunching, setting aside GPU's for the moment, the intel i7's are the best bang for your buck right now. With hyper threading you really do get close to double the number of cores.

That said, the gpu's blow them away in terms of points per day. I have 4 dual processor servers with a total of 48 hyperthreaded cores plus 3 more PC's and I was averaging about 50-60k per day in points. I now have 6 HD7xxx cards running and 2 have been down for most of the last 24 hours and I put out over 400k in points. So that gives you some perspective.

The problem is that the HCC-GPU part of the project only has about another 2 months worth of work and what happens after that is anyone's guess. So my advice is this:

Build a machine that will be able to handle either crossfired or SLI'ed GPU cards in the future. I would settle for a dual card set up, but 3 and 4 way setups are also possible.

To do that, you'll need

1) a motherboard that has at least 2 PCI-E x16 Gen 3 slots

2) a PSU with at least 4 3+2 PCI-E power connectors. That means something at least in the 600+watt power range I would guess but personally I would go with 800-850. I just picked up an Antec 850w for $200 including shipping on Amazon.

3) a case with room for full length cards so that they don't bump into the hdd bay or other components.

If you do that, then you can cheap out on your video card and then buy the latest and greatest when the next gpu project comes along.
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Re: Hardware for this project

Thanks for all the information :)
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