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branjo
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Re: BOINCStats shows a very seriously reduced number of users

What, pray tell, is "shrubbing"? That is a new one on me.


People from outside of our team's orbit use the word "crunching" shhh
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Re: BOINCStats shows a very seriously reduced number of users

I know the answer, he is on LINUX and I am on Win7-64.. NOT a fair playing field IMHO unless LINUX allows you to do that much more work..


I have two identical systems - P4 1.6ghz - with one on LInux and the other on Win XP. For a while they have both run HCC exclusively. The Linux system averages about an hour less per WU, so the Linux system is doing more work in less time. I would suspect given the high end systems you are using and with which you are comparing, the difference might be more exaggerated. It may be a different comparison with Win 7 and other flavors of Linux.

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Thanks Joe! Greatly appreciated.
I'll be moving to LINUX shortly on this machine.
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Re: BOINCStats shows a very seriously reduced number of users

"Paying" ?


Not really, don't worry smile . I just meant "assigning credits" - "paying" is shorter wink
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Re: BOINCStats shows a very seriously reduced number of users

I honestly think the numbers will improve when more projects on the Grid turn to GPU's.

I mean think about Milkyway@home, GPUGRID, PrimeGrid, almost everyone crunching those projects have GPU's because of the limited supply of projects that accept them.


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I know the answer, he is on LINUX and I am on Win7-64.. NOT a fair playing field IMHO unless LINUX allows you to do that much more work..


I have two identical systems - P4 1.6ghz - with one on LInux and the other on Win XP. For a while they have both run HCC exclusively. The Linux system averages about an hour less per WU, so the Linux system is doing more work in less time. I would suspect given the high end systems you are using and with which you are comparing, the difference might be more exaggerated. It may be a different comparison with Win 7 and other flavors of Linux.

Cheers

Thanks Joe! Greatly appreciated.
I'll be moving to LINUX shortly on this machine.


Windows has a LOT of overhead, ie stuff running in the background, that Linux does not. Also Linux is MUCH better at using less memory then Windows is, so unless you have memory of 3.5 GB or more, Linux is better and in some cases MUCH better. The key is too have MORE than the memory needed to run each workunit in memory AND still have enough left for the OS to use what it needs. Linux is STILL faster, just not as much if you have a ton of memory.
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yep, if you have a dedicated machine it's better just to spend 10 mins to install Ubuntu
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You can bet the economy has some to do with it. Lets face it, the worlds economy is sinking faster than the titanic. The BS being broadcasted is just a smoke screen. Just getting harder to make ends meet so projects like crunching will be one of the first things to go. As electricity goes up in price, more and more folks will pull the plug.
I don't think advertising would do much good. More and more folks are moving over to tablets and smart phones. Its surprising to me how many folks I come across still don't know much about computers. Try to mention crunching and I get the weirest look like I am talking greek to them. Word of mouth from folks who do this is probably best as we can explain it better than some advertising. Sure, a bumper sticker might attract an inquiry but probably not much. I just keep mentioning it as much as I can with hopes of attracting more voluntees.
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I know the answer, he is on LINUX and I am on Win7-64.. NOT a fair playing field IMHO unless LINUX allows you to do that much more work..


I have two identical systems - P4 1.6ghz - with one on LInux and the other on Win XP. For a while they have both run HCC exclusively. The Linux system averages about an hour less per WU, so the Linux system is doing more work in less time. I would suspect given the high end systems you are using and with which you are comparing, the difference might be more exaggerated. It may be a different comparison with Win 7 and other flavors of Linux.

Cheers

Thanks Joe! Greatly appreciated.
I'll be moving to LINUX shortly on this machine.

MM, ever try freeing up one thread to allow the OS to work? With these mega computers, have found letting the OS have a little freedom instead of interfering with wu's do do processes it needs to do actually helps. I use the signature from snook to help me find the sweet spot. Think he uses the last 10 day total to get the stats.
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You can bet the economy has some to do with it.
I'm placing my bets alright and on the high side: the economy has a lot to do with it. I once posited that crunching, essentially, is only for the 'rich. In a vibrant economy, many people qualify as 'rich' and have high chances of engaging in crunching; and that the weaker the economy, the more people fall out of the 'rich' circle.

The direct solution is to have the cost of crunching reduced. Electricity seems to be the biggest cost for crunchers. Until LENR and its related technologies come to the rescue, indeed if it can deliver on its promise of free energy or substantially reduced cost of energy, we are left with needing to pursue the highest efficiency we can manufacture and drive our machines to.
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Re: BOINCStats shows a very seriously reduced number of users

It always tickles my fancy when I post here and a lively discussion gets started. There are generally some really solid points made.


But what I was hoping to see come up has not come up: I think that there is something wrong in the BOINCStats numbers. They item of total over all WCG crunchers shown prior to the re-build of BOINCStats was somehwre just north of 2 million. Now, under 400,000?

I am asking the same question at BOOINCStats.
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