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Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Just wondering. Is there ANY of all the gpu beta testing that is runing contribute to find treatment for example against cancer and child cancer or are the processed beta gpu work units only a test to see that they actually work as expected and do not contribute to find cures to various diseases?


Is there any project that has finished the gpu beta test and are now include the gpu support as default?
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Hi Simplex0,

Well, the current test is on Help Cure Cancer to GPU and is getting closer to being released to production. It will run concurrent with the CPU version of this project. The organization that runs this project from Toronto under the Help Cure Cancer auspices has much broader application of the findings of this research, so this project, running since 2007 and nearing it's 5th anniversary, has been drawing in many -to be processed- crystal data sets from around the world.

This will be the first GPU supported project at WCG, and likely the only one for a longer while. If successful, the word will surely be spread as it cuts years out of these researches and or allows for much greater resolution processing in the same amount of time a CPU only based project would need. The application must to be suitable for porting to GPU and fit and few are at this time.

For the moment beta testing uses known task results already processed on CPU to verify that they produce the exact identical output, which is critical of course.
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Just wondering. Is there ANY of all the gpu beta testing that is runing contribute to find treatment for example against cancer and child cancer or are the processed beta gpu work units only a test to see that they actually work as expected and do not contribute to find cures to various diseases?


Is there any project that has finished the gpu beta test and are now include the gpu support as default?


See SekeRob's reply for the WCG based projects, but there ARE projects outside of WCG that can use your gpu's for research now. Going outside WCG still uses Boinc but the support does not come close to WCG's in most cases. On some projects it can be weeks before an 'official' type person replies to a question or problem. While SekeRob, and others, seems to be here at all hours of the day AND night with VERY helpful advice!
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Thak you SekeRob & Mikey.
I truly hope that at least ON project in BOINC eventually will accomplish what Folding@home has done for years, get applications that can make good use of BOTH AMD and Nvidia cards but it seams to take forever.
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

I truly hope that at least ON project in BOINC eventually will accomplish what Folding@home has done for years, get applications that can make good use of BOTH AMD and Nvidia cards but it seams to take forever.

Folding does better on Nvidia, which gets roughly a factor of 2 increase in output as compared to a comparable AMD card. It is the reverse with the HCC beta, since it uses OpenCL rather than CUDA. I run both, and just pick the best cards for each application that I can. There is a new version of the Folding core coming out shortly, and undoubtedly new WCG projects also that may change the balance somewhat, but that is the way it is for the time being.
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Thak you SekeRob & Mikey.
I truly hope that at least ON project in BOINC eventually will accomplish what Folding@home has done for years, get applications that can make good use of BOTH AMD and Nvidia cards but it seams to take forever.


MOST gpu projects CAN use both but most are ALSO tweaked to prefer one brand over the other. It is kind of like a Windows/Mac/Linux thing, which one you prefer means the things you do will be quicker on that platform. There are lots of other Boinc projects out there, such as: PrimeGrid, Collatz, DistRTgen, Moo, Seti, GPUGrid, Einstein, Albert, MilkyWay, Poem and I am sure there are others I am just not thinking of right now! ALL of them use Boinc as the basis for the crunching and just like WCG are pretty easy to use. The MAIN difference is the tech support here, when those other projects have problems the tech support/feedback from the Project folks can be NON EXISTENT AT BEST!! WCG has, as long as I have been here which is since May 2009, been EXCELLENT even on a bad day!!! If you look SekeRob is EVERYWHERE and willing to try and help EVERYONE!! Other Admins help ALL THE TIME too!! LawrenceHardin is an admin and someone posted that after a new Boinc install that Boinc doesn't work, LH was the FIRST post asking the person for more info so he could help them! As an example several years ago Seti went down for over a week, NO COMMENTS, no units, NO webpage, NO NOTHING ANYWHERE! After things were fixed they came back up and said 'whoops our bad'! They then said there excuse for NOT communicating about the problem was 'would you rather have us working on fixing the problem or telling you we are working on fixing the problem?' When WCG has a problem they tell other websites and essentially 'put the word out' that there is a problem and they ARE working on it! WCG also seems to be able to bring up their own website up saying 'we are having problems and are working on it', other Projects DO NOT do that!
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Mike. I started crunching on various project before BOINC existed, Seti@home was the first. wink

IMO PrimeGrid, Collatz, DistRTgen and Moo have zero to do with curing diseases and I am not regard them as a serious sciense project at all.

GPUGrid is nVidia only, and cuda only, they are associated with donate@home, which has functioned as their AMD/ATI testbed but I regard that as Beta, at best.

I am looking for science project that are working to find cures against diseases and NOT just testing models that eventually CAN be used to find cures in the future.
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I am looking for science project that are working to find cures against diseases and NOT just testing models that eventually CAN be used to find cures in the future.

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The dividing line that cleanly separates the 'means' (models that can be used to find cures) camp from the 'ends' (find cures) camp is not only blurred, the members of those camps, as it were, also keep changing their allegiance. One can say the same thing for technology as a whole. Finding a solution toward an end is inseparable from finding the means to be able to find a solution. Put another way, an effort can not just throw resources toward ends and call it a day; how much chances that effort would have in successfully achieving its ends is dependent on how well the means allow the effort to be successful. In short, finding cures for diseases can only be as successful and limited up to what the means allow. This is one thing.

Another thing is that grid-computing is essentially a tool to aid those types/areas of research that lend (or can be made to lend) themselves to the computational approach. Grid-computing is not about searching, developing, or designing a specific product, process, or technology to meet a need/demand; those are for commercial companies (and their research arm/links) to concern themselves with.

Taken together, grid-computing output lays the foundation for other entities/groups/companies to have the best possible chance of succeeding in making effective cures, solutions, products, or even new technologies.
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Another thing is that grid-computing is essentially a tool to aid those research lending themselves to computational approach. Grid-computing is not about searching, developing, or designing a specific product, process, or technology to meet a need/demand, those are for commercial companies (and their research arm/links) to concern themselves with.

Taken together, grid-computing output lays the foundation/research-results for other entities/groups/companies to have the best possible chance of succeeding in making effective cures, solutions, products, or even new technologies.
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If I understand you right is non of the project that runs under WCG currently used to finding cures to various diseases, they are just testing models that can be used to do so in the future? I'm truly hope that this is not the case. I think that the beta tests that are running in NOT contribute to find cures to diseases but they might be in the future if they ever finish the beta test an result in a approved application.
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Re: Is there ANY of the gpu beta testing that is contribute to find treatment

Simplex0,

Scrub and let me try to explain: Beta tests [the forum we are in and exchanging thought] usually take 1-2 runs [1-2-3 weeks], then they are moved to production. The Help Conquer Cancer [HCC1] GPU application is an exception. Many new technical issues to overcome, but we are now quite close to speed up this research 18-20 times per analysis run processed, compared to the CPU version that has been running for years now.

The theoretical models and simulations and analysis lead directly or indirectly to either fundamental knowledge, which is key to finding cures [HPF2 Human Proteome Folding e.g.], or in the case of for instance Help Fight Childhood Cancer [HFCC], FightAIDS@Home [FA@H], Discover Dengue Drugs Together [DDDT2] etc, directly identify compounds that are wet-lab tested. HFCC on our grid for instance has picked out several dozen chemical combinations out of a library of 3 million that the scientists in Chiba have been testing in the past 2 years, which has give them knew knowledge and indicators which other targets to also process on our grid [T10 for instance]... computational chemistry and biology. Many promising leads have resulted from our contributions and many papers of new knowledge have been written that have made it to the most respected medical journals. The path from lab-test to medicine or vaccine is long, no illusions. We're just helping shortening this path by years and years.
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