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Amr Adam
Advanced Cruncher Egypt Joined: Aug 13, 2012 Post Count: 74 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hi all,
What do you think if the BOINC/WCG team would change the default values of the BOINC agent, to become for example running 100% of the CPU power, and running on batteris+while in use as defaults. A lot of people download the agent wanting to help for the maximum, yet they're not experts with adjusting for the right preferences, and assume that if they download the agent, they're now supporting the initiative for the maximum, and altering the default values will drive more productivity for the new joiners to the WCG.. Cheers, Amr |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I think that is a horrible idea considering those defaults were set for the safety of the equipment being used. As you said, many are not experts at adjusting the right performance and probably will do more harm then good. If they want assistance, there are a ton of resources to get it.
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Amr Adam
Advanced Cruncher Egypt Joined: Aug 13, 2012 Post Count: 74 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I agree in case it's done that way for the safety of the equipments, but would it make harm really to go beyond 25% usage of the CPU power when the PC's idle ?
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I think I understand you AA, but I agree with Coleslaw. Setting values on their max could bring more problems than benefits: lot of peoples PC's might unstable causing even HW failures and discourage such PC owners from further crunching.
----------------------------------------Back in 2005 - 2006, when I started to shrub (aka crunch) for BOINC, the overheating of motherboard and CPU caused freezing and restarting of my comps, so after couple of months I stopped shrubbing. Re-started in May AY with much better computers and doing good so far with 24/7, 100% CPU, running while comps are in use... It is better to have less than to have nothing :-) Cheers and NI!  Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006  |
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Amr Adam
Advanced Cruncher Egypt Joined: Aug 13, 2012 Post Count: 74 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks Branjo for the feedback, then what would you think about an in-between increase of usage ? from 25 to 50 for exmaple ?
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Also, you will find that WCG specifically encourages settings that minimizes the effect on the users experience while using the computer as well. You don't want people getting discouraged because the system becomes unusable or too slow while they are trying to use it. If they want to squeeze more out, then that is an active choice on their part.
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Former Member
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- WCG Default for CPU time, was 60% and understand it was decided to become 50% [lowest chance of fan kick in at this interval setting]
- WCG Default for pause when user load is above 50% [think Berkeley has this upped now to 75% from 25%] - WCG Default, pause client when system in use. - WCG Default, Standard profile [preset] and client "Run based on preferences". Safety first for equipment, and maximum unobtrusive operation to the user as *Prime directive*. When the currently tested and audited code of v7 gets packaged into a WCG kit, these will be the likely defaults, BUT, existing members wont get those... they've already got their device profiles locked in, if set to custom or when they've created local override prefs. The above is all subject to change... just a rough summary. |
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks Branjo for the feedback, then what would you think about an in-between increase of usage ? from 25 to 50 for exmaple ? IDK. Users who do not change default settings are usually less experienced, thus more scared from "doing-something-bad-for-my-computer". Could you imagine if those users have to experience 70 - 80 degrees Celsius hot cover of their PC's (what could happen when BOINC settings are maxed with not very powerful fans)? With probability approaching certainty I can say they will get rid of "some WCG and BOINC" from their comps. Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006 |
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Richard Mitnick
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Feb 28, 2007 Post Count: 583 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I try to never ever use strong language in the forums. But, I am surprised that this discussion got beyond two posts: 1.) the question and 2.) a flat No.
----------------------------------------Heat is the enemy. Processors since the "Core i" line have been running hotter in each iteration. My oldest is an i7-920 in a desktop. I had to cut its usage to 50% cores @100% usage to keep it safe. My newest is an i7-3930k, 75% cores at 100% usage, but that is with sealed liquid cooling. Everyone has different case configurations, different thermal paste, different fans, etc. Also, more and more people are running laptops not desktops. Do what you wish with your own machines; but do not suggest defaults beyond the present ones. |
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Amr Adam
Advanced Cruncher Egypt Joined: Aug 13, 2012 Post Count: 74 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Also, you will find that WCG specifically encourages settings that minimizes the effect on the users experience while using the computer as well. You don't want people getting discouraged because the system becomes unusable or too slow while they are trying to use it. If they want to squeeze more out, then that is an active choice on their part. i see.. |
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