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mikey
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2009 Post Count: 826 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'll try to get into a GPU project but I think is a big mistake what protein GPU projects are doing: not making use of 32-bit floats GPUs and if OpenCL will use a lot of or a complete CPU Core per GPU then I think is not done properly at least on the software if the hardware allows it, because we have serial buses (makes them independent from each other and more dedicated to individual hardware devices) and DMA (Direct Memory Access) from devices and this should be the case of GPUs so GPUs can actually act as graphics co-processors as efficient as they can be. GPUs can do SOME things faster than CPUs, not everything so the efficient thing to do is that GPUs use 1% at most CPU time (I'd like it to be .1%) and accelerate protein research even more. If the hardware is the efficiency bottleneck then it should be redesigned, I think the IT industry have seen how much good CPU/GPU protein research for Humanity hence the design towards it, but we need to make it efficient as well since is the greatest thing to make an altruistic effort like this, so the better we make it the most altruistic it is and Humanity benefits more; just my thoughts. By that thinking EVERY cpu ever made should be able to contribute too, but that isn't true either. I am NOT saying your idea is a bad one, I am just saying it isn't practical. Technology is advancing and to include older technology because we users haven't upgraded yet is not in the best interest of something trying to discover new and wonderful things. Some new store bought pc's are coming with AMD 7950 gpu's in them, they will FAR surpass yours, and my, AMD 4670 gpu's. The 4670, and other ver 1.0 compatible gpu's are just older technology and Science MUST move forward, especially the kind of Science WE are doing. The older gpu's CAN be used on some projects, just not ALL of them and unfortunately for you, and I, Medical Science projects do not appear to one of the kind that can. On a more personal note my 4670 was getting around 26k per day RAC on Moo, my 5770's get around 160k RAC per day while my machine with a 5870 in it is getting 280k RAC per day, and my machine with both a 5770 and a 5870 in it is getting around 440K RAC per day! So upgrading will do WONDERS for your contributions! ![]() ![]() |
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dskagcommunity
Senior Cruncher Austria Joined: May 10, 2011 Post Count: 219 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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i hope too that some older gpus will be supported. Some of my 24/7 gpus are little more outdated (8800GT, 2*9800GTX+, HD4850 are my oldest OPENCL capable ones). I know credits vary from project to project but this 4 cards can make at POEM ~700k. Im happy they can run all on POEM and Milkyway so for real science (The faster & newer cards run @GPUGrid). BUT I hoped i can switch most of the cards at the end to WCG, not every cruncher has the buget to hold all of his crunching machines up to date every year, and i think im one of the more enthusiastic guys ^^ at the moment i upgrade to some multicore cpus to get more WCG CPU cores and feed the GPUs on POEM good enough thats expensive enough and i hope it can help in future WCG GPU too ^^ Often looked at for example HD5850 cards but wow even on ebay they are to expensive for used hardware..for a little more i can buy a new faster card ^^
----------------------------------------BUT for now we only can wait and hope ^^ Perhaps at the start of WCG HCC GPU when it only supports newer hardware i can invest in a more "expensive" GPU(s) for one or two of the machines (Christmas or something? ^^), because it is my absolute mainproject to run Cancerresearches for some personal reason :) [or better :(] ---------------------------------------- [Edit 5 times, last edit by dskagcommunity at Aug 29, 2012 7:38:02 PM] |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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There is still hope. An nVidia 210 in a borged computer picked up a BETA this round. Hopefully it completes ok. I certainly want the low end market to be included.
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BSD
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 27, 2011 Post Count: 224 Status: Offline |
... I certainly want the low end market to be included. I wouldn't hold my breath. I've only seen mid to high end cards that receive valid results. My low end Cedar GPU keeps getting BETA WU's, but upon comparing against 2 other wingmen with $$$ cards, my WU gets zapped to Invalid. So what's the problem? Poor thing hasn't made it to the "seems to work" card list. At least it gives Kevin something to list as doesn't work. ![]() |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Another system with a 210 picked up some BETA's running the latest drivers and 7.0.31. Different OS's and drivers, so hopefully good results in both.
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BSD
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 27, 2011 Post Count: 224 Status: Offline |
Got lucky, small wonders.
---------------------------------------- I received 4 BETA Wu's last night on my slow Cedar GPU and 2 processed "Valid". Can't tell what made a difference looking at the result log, I was the wingman on both. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by BSD at Sep 7, 2012 2:56:43 PM] |
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mikey
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2009 Post Count: 826 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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i hope too that some older gpus will be supported. Some of my 24/7 gpus are little more outdated (8800GT, 2*9800GTX+, HD4850 are my oldest OPENCL capable ones). I know credits vary from project to project but this 4 cards can make at POEM ~700k. Im happy they can run all on POEM and Milkyway so for real science (The faster & newer cards run @GPUGrid). BUT I hoped i can switch most of the cards at the end to WCG, not every cruncher has the buget to hold all of his crunching machines up to date every year, and i think im one of the more enthusiastic guys ^^ at the moment i upgrade to some multicore cpus to get more WCG CPU cores and feed the GPUs on POEM good enough thats expensive enough and i hope it can help in future WCG GPU too ^^ Often looked at for example HD5850 cards but wow even on ebay they are to expensive for used hardware..for a little more i can buy a new faster card ^^ BUT for now we only can wait and hope ^^ Perhaps at the start of WCG HCC GPU when it only supports newer hardware i can invest in a more "expensive" GPU(s) for one or two of the machines (Christmas or something? ^^), because it is my absolute mainproject to run Cancerresearches for some personal reason :) [or better :(] Your Nvidia cards MIGHT be able to run at DistRTgen but you can't use anything past Boinc versi9on 7.0.25. You will have to check the specs over there. http://boinc.freerainbowtables.com/distrrtgen/index.php ![]() ![]() |
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dskagcommunity
Senior Cruncher Austria Joined: May 10, 2011 Post Count: 219 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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They would run with high creditoutput too...BUT DistrGen is not science for me only energy wasting ^^ i only compute science (since i have the right projects and hardware to hold on my RAC in case of a single projectoffline situation) and as possible medical ;) But with the possibility of compute soon against this cancer with GPU, a bit money is reserved for some new gpus WHEN i know what kind of we need.
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Why can't he use anything later then 7.0.25? I have machines running 7.0.31 with 210's running over there in between other projects.
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Former Member
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I fail to see how any model of two or more generations-old GPUs can do better than even the low-end models of current-generation GPUs in terms of support cost to operate and to maintain at both the client-side and the server-side. Over the long-term, clients who hang on to their old-generation GPUs not only pay more for the same or lower performance, but also say "No" to paying less for the same or higher performance. Over the long term, weighed down by having to also support clients who chose to hang on to their old-generation GPUs, servers can not tune their resources to maximize the cost-per-performance advantages of new-generation GPUs.
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