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libik
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Hi,
I am very interested at "how much money" we donate through our computing resources? This means - if you pay for commercial supercomputer, how much does it cost? If I want "one year of run time" in commercial supercomputer, how much does it cost? (approximately of course)? |
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Hardnews
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It depends on which super-computer in which country. The current hot-shot is the Fujitsu K computer, which costs around £6 million in power bills alone per year to run at around 8 petaflops.
----------------------------------------You could get by cheaper in China for a little less, their Tianhe-1A hits 2.5 petaflops and is less power hungry. You might rent a Nor-Tech 160 core HPC cluster for about $5000 US a month (plus $250 set-up fee) If you want more punch, just rent two. Call it $120,000 a year, plus your power bills. (You may want more than two if you're running a WCG emulator.  )At the lower end of the market some guy on here priced an i7 PC crunch-box rental at $3 US a day, including power bills. You can build a good one for about $1000 US - for about 120 Gflops peak. Multiply that by, say, 500,000, then work out how many WCG contribs are running at 25% capacity for say one third of a day and subtract the diversity factor. Finally, if you want an 'instant' supercomputer' instance you can rent from Amazon. They take Visa, too: "Amazon has now introduced an Extra Large instance of its cluster compute machines. This is so big that it wins Amazon EC2 a place in the list of top 500 computers. The cc2.8xlarge instance is currently at number 42, It has 16 Xeon cores, 60.5GBytes of RAM and over 3TBytes of storage. You can configure it with either Linux or Windows Server and it costs just $2.40 an hour per instance." Amazon go all the way to 30,472 processors, and if you take out their credit card, you'll get loyalty points. (Other supercomputer rental offers may also be suitable) More text info here . And the 'set-up your own supercomputer in ten minutes 'video here . [Edit 6 times, last edit by Hardnews at Jun 8, 2012 5:01:38 PM] |
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libik
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Thanks a lot :)
It depends on which super-computer in which country. The current hot-shot is the Fujitsu K computer, which costs around £6 million in power bills alone per year to run at around 8 petaflops. Its more than 10 petaflops by now :). I found "power bills" too, but how much does it cost to rent this beast ... no :). *** You gave me a lot information, so maybe I can count it :). Well, if I have my i7 turned non-stop, it makes 17000 points per day, and it should be worth of 1000-1500 dollars per year. It means that ~ 5000 points are worth of 1$ And it means we "donate" to WCG ~ 40M$ Dollars per year. Well, I thought we donate more :). |
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mikey
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Thanks a lot :) It depends on which super-computer in which country. The current hot-shot is the Fujitsu K computer, which costs around £6 million in power bills alone per year to run at around 8 petaflops. Its more than 10 petaflops by now :). I found "power bills" too, but how much does it cost to rent this beast ... no :). *** You gave me a lot information, so maybe I can count it :). Well, if I have my i7 turned non-stop, it makes 17000 points per day, and it should be worth of 1000-1500 dollars per year. It means that ~ 5000 points are worth of 1$ And it means we "donate" to WCG ~ 40M$ Dollars per year. Well, I thought we donate more :). On another Project I saw where a guy was renting cpu time, in Europe, for 15 Euros a month I think. He was renting thru Amazon I think, and you provide the software while they provide the pc. Faster, better pc's cost more than the basic pc of course. It has been awhile but I will see if I can find it again, give me a few days to think about where it was I saw it. Try this thread: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,33289   [Edit 1 times, last edit by mikey159b at Jun 9, 2012 12:55:25 PM] |
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RicktheBrick
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It means that ~ 5000 points are worth of 1$
And it means we "donate" to WCG ~ 40M$ Dollars per year. Here is a link to a supercomputer built for Virgina Tech. http://www.eng.vt.edu/news/virginia-tech-s-wu...rful-supercomputer-masses It does 455 Tera flops. It cost only 1.4 million dollars to make. I would think that it could do the same amount of work all of the membership does so at 40 million dollars a year they could easily buy one a year and pay for the electrical costs and support workers too. Marist college was first in results and is donating at about 17,000 results a day. IBM is now first and is donating about 140,000 results a day. Sometime in the past year the number of results from IBM jumped by 10 times or more. If they did that again they would do more than the rest of the membership combined. I would hope that IBM could get a grant from the federal government to purchase that supercomputer. I would think that they could do that just by demonstrating all the results they already have. |
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RicktheBrick
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Here is a link to what IBM is doing. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18457716. This one supercomputer could do all the results wcg is doing in a year in about 2 weeks. It is around 25 to 30 times the computing power of all of wcg's members. So maybe IBM is using wcg members to verify the results of one or more of its supercomputers. IBM might be sending the same work units to the membership and comparing their results to the ones from one of its supercomputers. It is just a thought since I really do not know if it would even be needed.
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Former Member
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Actually, would all WCG devices run 24/7 and not be considered 'active' when returning 1 result in 30 days, but constant, you'd probably come to a different equation. Anyone wanting to throw an Abacus at this big thumb [null] hypothesis?
----------------------------------------edit: Think our "peak" potential could steam WCG way up in those rankings. BTW, 320 years by 6.7 billion people reads like something grabbed from an old pamphlet prepared some time ago. We're running fast past 7 billion on the planet now. --//-- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 18, 2012 3:09:39 PM] |
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Former Member
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very interesting topic !!!!!! at 5000 points = 1$ ..... I am now at 50$
good idea this topic |
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RicktheBrick
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According to my calculations 16.32 peta flops or 16,320,000,000,000,000 flops at 7.9 million watts is 2 billion flops per watt for IBM's newest supercomputer. I seriously doubt that any home computer comes remotely close to that. It is proof that IBM could produce all the results of WCG at a far lower cost(both hardware and energy) than even only the members that are active.
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ultimaThule
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From my behalf:
-----------------------------------------Three laptop 24/7. -Power meter (on win7) show öbaut 43W per laptop. -Power supply probably working around 0,9 power factor... So 125€/y to electricity... (ten cent per kilowatt, taxes included)  [Edit 1 times, last edit by ultimaThule at Jun 19, 2012 11:38:45 AM] |
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