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Tax Deductable

would this be tax deductable, since it is doing some Charity, and helping our advancements as humans. Not to mention its using our electricity.
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There's been a couple of threads about this at Hardocp in reference to Folding@home. I started one under the same forum name. Unfortunately the search function appears to be fubared.... or it was over a year ago.

I tried to introduce legislation (in the US) about this but was informed that the US tax law already covers these costs under 'charitable donations' clauses. This should cover both the costs of hardware (if it's dedicated) and electric costs (if you can somehow compute the difference between regular use and 'folding also' use). Think similiar laws apply in Canada, Britain, and Australia... but not positive.
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It would be interestging to see if this group would be willing to fill out the necessary forms and provide them to us to be filed with the IRS... after all, these folks know how much CPU these programs use and I'm sure they have a value associated with that amount of CPU.

The electricity on the otherhand can be calculated (albit a tougher chore) but having the folding project provide the proper forms for IRS would be a real benefit... and it would be nicer than just "POINTS"... this way... we could all win.
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I totally agree, it would be a really nice "incentive" devilish for participating this project while doing something for good cause. biggrin
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Participating in a "good cause" should be incentive enough. After all it's not a republican endeavor love struck
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I completely agree...
One shouldn't need economical incentives to contribute.

But, my suggestion about having WCG utilize gpu power as well as described in another post - and offering that same power while the comp is in use would be a nice little win win situation :)
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Participating in a "good cause" should be incentive enough. After all it's not a republican endeavor love struck


not sure if I follow your republican jab, after all I am a republican and I am not looking for anything else besides the satisfaction of having helped in researching something that could help other people out.

I suggest keeping a more open mind about what the issues really are and not listen to so much rumored and exaggerated issues that seem to be the norm around the liberal camps. I particulary like how liberal groups try and target the younger generation and try to convince them that all of their problems are caused by republicans and word twist things that happened in the past as proof of this. Of course anyone with some knowledge of history and the actual facts can put holes in these lies and show how much they try and mislead americas youth. I have been amazed at how many times when I get involved with a discussion and I start showing them how flawed their lies are that I end up getting verbally and physically threatened.

My simple point is, dont believe the rehtoric spouted out by anyone ( republican or liberal ) but research and figure things out on your own and then form your own opionion about what is right or wrong in your own book. You may find that some of your own ideas, ethics, and morales may cross over both parties several times.
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It would be interestging to see if this group would be willing to fill out the necessary forms and provide them to us to be filed with the IRS... after all, these folks know how much CPU these programs use and I'm sure they have a value associated with that amount of CPU.

The electricity on the otherhand can be calculated (albit a tougher chore) but having the folding project provide the proper forms for IRS would be a real benefit... and it would be nicer than just "POINTS"... this way... we could all win.


Let me start by saying IANATA (I Am Not A Tax Attorney) but my understanding of charitable donations is that you can only donate the actual expenses you incur. For example, you incur additional electric costs by running WCG (your CPU is not in its power-saving idle mode, and is therefore consuming more electricity.) If you knew how much additional electricity (and could place a cost on it) you could deduct it. I once figured my distributed.net client was causing my Athlon 1200 to burn an additional 60 watts/hour, and would have cost me about $50.00 a year in electricity (which is why I think distributed.net is a huge waste of natural resources.)

WCG can't provide this info, though, because it's absolutely CPU core specific. A 90 nm Pentium IV is going to burn less electricity than a 120 nm chip, and cost you less. Every chip out there has its own unique power consumption delta between idle and fully used, which means it's up to you to measure it. And then, you'd have to measure the difference between "your" usage and the "WCG" usage and subtract out time you spent at the keyboard, playing Everquest or whatever.

As far as the "value" of the computing you are performing, I'm pretty sure it's not deductable at all. For example, your physical labor and time are not deductable expenses -- I just spent a few weekends building a garage for a charitable organization, but I can't deduct a dime other than actual out-of-pocket expenses, such as 14.5 cents per mile driving to and from the job site, and a dollar for a box of staples. I would think offering the services of an enslaved microchip to be of even less value than my time.

Now, if you bought a brand new box for the purpose of running WCG client on it, and you actually ran nothing but WCG on it (not so much as a game of solitaire) then you could deduct the depreciated cost of the computer (that's the price of the computer divided out over its three year lifetime) plus the full cost of the electricity you used to feed it. In order to get that to fly through an IRS audit, though, you'd probably have to arrange it with WCG in advance. That would probably still be a tough one to sell to the IRS, though, to spend several hundred dollars on a computer you don't use for yourself.

No matter what, if you actually intend to try to claim a charitable deduction for this, you should seek the advice of a professional tax accountant before spending the money on the donation. Tax "advice" you get for free on the internet is worthless, no matter what or who the source is.
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Jaded,

I understand your position, IANATA either... and that being said... those running this site I'm sure have to thier avail services of ATA (A Tax Attorney) that could advise them.

Here's my way of thinking about it... if a corporation that runs programs for $$$ for users offers to run programs for charatiable orginizations, I would anticipate they would be able to deduct the "VALUE" of the contribution.... in terms of $$$$ .... there are a lot of aspects other than just the electric considerations.... generally speaking .. you can't just toss a computing device in your front yard and expect it to work properly for very long... ( an extreme position but it's only used to make a point.) Also, the there is wear and tear on the HDD & CPU itself... Sure.. I have all of my processing complexes well cooled and even running 100% consumption my temps don't get very high... while it's true... I coexist in my house with my processing complexes... the house is basically for me... but without my house.. my processing complexes wouldn't exist either...

Anyway... I'm certain if we all chose to do something via legislative processes.... we could get it accomplished... social reform is a good thing.. and leading our legislative reps. to this way of thinking might be just what we need to do... if we can't get our Tax offices to use %0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of thier own brain power to see the benefit... then... perhaps we should find a way to place a national referndum on the next national balot... remember here in the colonies... Government is "Of the People, By the People and For the People"... Government is not because of the people.... http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/mvnp...m/images/emotion/rose.gif
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This was covered in great depth many years ago at UD - (whose program you are using) and the point is IBM, or UD is not a charity and those are the ones who you are donating to! So you cannot claim you are donating to a charity. crying
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