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WCG vs SETI

While trying to satisfy my curious nature, I ran across the following info (according to BOINC):

SETI@home users = 1,256,796 (active = 227,033)
WCG users = 375,288 (active = 92,262)

Now, I have nothing against SETI (I was a SETI cruncher at one time... a long time ago), but I find it interesting (and disturbing) that it would appear there is more interest in finding little green entities then in solving the ailments currently are affecting our world. I would think that it would the other way around.
Does anybody have a explanation for this ? Is it because people don't know about WGC? Again, I'm not bashing SETI... just curious about the results.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think SETI was the first, at least wide scale first grid computing project. I think it would be the only one of which some know. It may also be people who just started it and left it alone, the set and forget crowd.

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Re: WCG vs SETI

Propose you start the same topic on the SETI forums and see how long that lasts... you might convert a few to more earthly and achievable objective.

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Re: WCG vs SETI

Joe... that could be the reason... wasn't sure if SETI was pre-WCG, but now that I think of it, that does sound correct.

SekeRob... hhhmmm... that sounds like an interesting idea, although I'm a little hesitant to do it... seems like stirring up the bees nest (going in and telling them their cause isn't as important as WCG). But, I will investigate it.

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Re: WCG vs SETI

Hello cjslman,
Back in 2005, shortly after joining WCG, I started reading up on the history of Distributed Computing at
http://www.distributedcomputing.info/
. It linked to many interesting sites with information about past problems, false starts and controversies. I do not know if Kirk has been keeping up with the changes over the last 6+ years, but it is worth checking out.

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Re: WCG vs SETI

I joined SETI in Nov 2000 as it was the first widely available DC project. When UD opened up in April 2001 I immediately joined that as I felt it was better for mankind that a cure for cancer was found before we found little green men. Since the concept of BOINC and the ability to have a number of medical projects at the same time I have stuck with them, mainly now with WCG, although I do revisit SETI sometimes for a couple of WU's for old times sake.

Currently I am testing out GPU at Milkyway and Collenz to see what it is like, I will switch those to WCG when they release a GPU version
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The first Grid computing project that I heard of and I could run has been SETI a long long time ago. I had at that time a small PC and crunching one WU took me more or less 36 hours. I crunched some years later again with SETI but it did not last long because I simply think that it is not the right way to go.
I am very much interested in meeting an extraterrestrial intelligence as I am sure that out there in the vast universe there are many. But if we look at a universe that is 13-15 billion years old, and that our today intelligent life on earth took 4 billion years, there may be some intelligent beings out there with millions of years or a few billion years technological advance. I think that just searching the radio wave spectrum is a too primitive or prehistoric way to go for such an advanced form of intelligence. Maybe they communicate by quantum correlation, or gravitational waves or ???? . Imagine that the whole universe is correlated from the big-bang origin. This would mean that all particles composing this universe are quantum correlated in a way to each other. And there may be an infinite correlation mechanisms which would allow various correlation "channels". A lot of things that we do not know about. But we see from experiments that the size and number of particles that can be correlated together is increasing regularly. Where is the limit? For a photon the universe has no size and it will travel through all of it in no time. What does that mean. This plus correlation and you have the basics for an instantaneous communication system across the whole universe. Seems simple but maybe in a few millions years it could be achievable.
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Yes, I totally agree with you Hypernova. SETI was my first encounter with distributed computing (grid). And yes, I'm a Trekkie, a Warrie and a Tolkienite, but I do find that my priorities lay with this little space island that I have to live on. If we can ever conquer the big issues that besiege us (illness, poverty, education, war, economy, etc), then hell yes, let's explore new frontiers in space. But until then, I think we have a logical (and moral) obligation to clean up our house before we go play outside.

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I think many of us came to WCG (and other medical/scientific research) via SETI. For me the excitement evaporated on reading the likelihood of locating other intelligences.

I agree: Let's fix problems here, on this planet, then move outward.

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Re: WCG vs SETI

BOINC software was born in the SETI@home project, when it only ran in the screen saver. There are many projects outside of WCG running BOINC. You can find the biggest of them listed on the BOINC web site. There are many more in beat and alpha.

I am crunching on seven computers. WCG runs on four of them at a 200 resource weight to correct for BOINC running WCG as one project, and you can see that it is my largest in terms of credits/work done.

But, you know, I love this opportunity to be a part of Citizen Cyberscience, and all of us here at least at this point owe that to SETI@home. So, I run it also on several computers. If you count individually the 10 projects at WCG, I am crunching for 26 projects.

That will soon change as I am adding a machine with a hyper threaded six core CPU and twin GTX580 graphics cards to get into GPU crunching

There is so much power and capacity out there these days, we can afford to pay our dues to SET@home.

BTW, I also send teeny bits of money to the SET Institute, which is a separate and distinct organization.

Also, as much as I love BOINC, there is a lot of messiness with their software. I have always been surprised that IBM has not done something on its own to replace BOINC.
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