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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hello everybody,
Does anyone know, whether it is possible to use BOINC on big flatscreens with accesss to the internet? I have in mind those flatscreens you hang on the wall of your livingroom to watch fims. As everyone probably knows, more and more of those entertainment flatscreens, as I call them, have access to the internet. So, it should be possible to install BOINC / Worldcommunitygrid on them, shoudn't it? Thank you in advance for your answers. Greetings Kafejka |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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It is an interesting idea since all such display are indeed a embedded PC behind.
----------------------------------------You should take contact with train stations, airports, city transportation companies, hotels and conference centres as well because all of them are operating such devices. However, if these organisations are aware about environmental protection, I would assume that mostly the displays are operated by a low power / low performance CPU such as Atom. Anyway, this idea could be investigated. Cheers, Yves |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Long as your flatscreen can run proper Windows, Linux or Mac operating system [Intel x86 compatible CPU inside and enough RAM), it would be possible with an external drive plugged into a USB port, but it 99.9999999% sure the CPU / Firmware in the screen can't. Ours is connected to the Wifi Lan so we can see pictures stored on the fileserver, or at Google Picasa, but that's as far as it was explored and at 125Watts/hour not something one wants to let run all day long as wall decoration and risk even the remotest hint of burn in. Why else does the set have a bouncing logo screensaver kick in when the image goes static and power off eventually.
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Former Member
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Hello SekeRob, Hello KerSamson,
thank you very much for your answers. Let me say something about the environmental and energy question. I am very aware about the environmental question, too. I would buy an energy saving entertainment monitor, too. For this reason, I would perfer a LED Monitor (at least the backlight should be LED instead of LCD or Plasma). As far as I know, LED saves energy. The ideal thing to me would be a energy saving LED entertainment monitor with a operating system and a processor ready for BOINC and worldcommunitygrid. However, it might be difficult to find a BOINC (Worldcommunitygrid) suitable entertainment monitor at all. If anyone discovers such a entertainment monitor ready for BOINC please post the type here. The BOINC feature is critical to me. I would buy just this monitor, as I donnot have any big flat screen, yet (Tradtional old Tele :):))) Taike your time, and go on crunching. Thank you. Greetings Kafejka |
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mikey
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Long as your flatscreen can run proper Windows, Linux or Mac operating system [Intel x86 compatible CPU inside and enough RAM), it would be possible with an external drive plugged into a USB port, but it 99.9999999% sure the CPU / Firmware in the screen can't. Ours is connected to the Wifi Lan so we can see pictures stored on the fileserver, or at Google Picasa, but that's as far as it was explored and at 125Watts/hour not something one wants to let run all day long as wall decoration and risk even the remotest hint of burn in. Why else does the set have a bouncing logo screensaver kick in when the image goes static and power off eventually. --//-- I am under the impression that the new flat panel screens ie lcd, led, plasma, don't burn in nearly as easily as the old crt's did. I think the logo bounces to provide some interest as opposed to seeing the same old thing day in and day out.   |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The type of flat screens I mentioned was not TV device in the living room but display in public areas. Indeed many of them are operated by MS Windows since they are based on embedded PC.
----------------------------------------Using the TV device for crunching would be a little bit "risky" at first in terms of warranty (the TV should be "jail broken") and secondly in terms of heat dissipation. Even my TV device at home is operated by Linux (it is a Philips TV device), I would not really "root" my TV for installing boinc on it. Anyway, if somebody would try to do it, I am interested to listen about the experience results  Yves |
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Former Member
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Sorry, I don't think that's possible. Burn in shouldn't be much of an issue with LCD/LED TVs, and the BOINC screensaver changes frequently enough that it shouldn't be an issue with plasma either.
But the processors in Smart TVs aren't powerful enough yet. According to an Engadget article Panasonic claims to have the fastest TV processors in the industry. They are using a dual-core ARM, which puts them at the same level of computational power as an iPhone or Android cellphone. It would be possible to make BOINC run on these devices if someone put in the work to port the BOINC framework and the science applications to the ARM architecture. But ARM performance on floating-point math, the kind of calculations WCG needs, is so lousy - an order of magnitude slower than an Atom netbook - that nobody thinks it is worth the trouble. The situation may change in a few years, the x86 desktop CPUs also had lousy math performance until the 486/Pentium generation (although you could buy a separate math co-processor if you needed one). But for the time being, BOINC on TVs, plug computers, cellphones and the like is not realistic. See also previous discussions on getting BOINC to run on smartphones. |
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kffitzgerald
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 29, 2011 Post Count: 222 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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wow.... why is it everyone has to take a simple question and make a complex problem out of it? any laptop equipped with an HDMI output connected to an LCD/Plasma flatscreen with an HDMI input will work just fine. Just watch for processor overheating.
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Mysteron347
Senior Cruncher Australia Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 179 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Even my TV device at home is operated by Linux (it is a Philips TV device), I would not really "root" my TV for installing boinc on it. *koff*  |
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Former Member
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Hello everyone,
please let us renew the discussion on this topic. I think I is worthwhile, because: 1. There is Samsung Powersleep now, which is - as far as I understand - BOINC in the form of an app (application) for smartphones 2. the internet says, that it is possible to install apps on SMART TVs Taking these two facts together, I conclude, that it is now possible to run BOINC on smart TVs Is this true? Is it true for all smart TVs? Experiences? Thanks a lot for your answers. Greetings and all the best MS |
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