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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

It's finally time for the WCG staff to end this Military Secrecy mentality that seems to pervade it and give a realistic estimate about when this will be implemented.

I plan on putting a system together in the next month or so and am willing to upgrade the video card with this in mind if this is planned for implementation in the near future.

Communication is part of a collaborative project and it's time to start improving it.


To TimAndHedy and everyone else waiting for information on GPU:

You're right, we do like to keep things under wraps. We do that to give us some flexibility in managing our schedule. GPU is not the only new project that we are working on.

We gave the HCC researchers permission to mention that we are working on GPU knowing that it would let the cat out of the bag. So at least you have some information.

But now you're going to have to wait for us to finish the associated prep work.

We will never announce a start date unless we are sure that we can make the date that we announce.

At this time we are not prepared to give you a date for the start of GPU for HCC but we can tell you this:

1. At this time, the plan is to start Beta testing before the end of January, 2012. This may change as conditions arise.

2. Because of the large variety of processors, we will probably have a longer than average Beta test.

Thanks.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

Would it be feasible to keep CPU points separate from GPU? Now would be a good time to ask.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

At last!!!!! applause applause applause

Finally excellent news. smile smile smile
Kudos to the WCG tech team and the HCC team.

Hope the GTX 580 of Nvidia will be part of the qualified boards. I have a few ready to go.

2012 will be a major milestone in WCG history. praying

Do not forget on the same time also to add a few new badges. wink
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

Would it be feasible to keep CPU points separate from GPU? Now would be a good time to ask.

Why?
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

Would it be feasible to keep CPU points separate from GPU? Now would be a good time to ask.


I would not recommend that at all.
All machines todays have in a form or another GPU's embedded or as an additional board. What is important is to ensure a wide enough compatibility with the boards on the market from Nvidia and AMD. Even the smaller entry level GPU's have today a sizeable crunching power that shoudl be used.

There is the same variety of GPU's in term of crunching power as you have today already with CPU's.
We do not keep different stats between the cruncher that does 1'000 ppd and the one that does 1 Million ppd, or the company that allows to crunch on 1'000 machines and the individual that contributes an older Pentium CPU.
All efforts are welcome from the smallest to the largest without discrimination. There cannot be a value difference between GPU points and CPU points. If technology allows for more work to be done then it is all the better for the cause and we must do everything to encourage it and not bash it by penalizing it.
The issue is not points but work done, WU returned. Yes those using a GPU will generate a lot more points, but a little more in terms of runtime as the GPU will add as one additional CPU over 24 hours at max.

And do not forget that those who add a GPU to their CPU, they do contribute also more as the most powerful boards do consume up to an additional 150-200 watts depending on load.

And clearly GPU based WCG projects will be able to address a much larger amount of work in the same timeframe.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

I just hope most GPU's qualify instead of limiting to just one vendor such as just nvidia or ATI. Both have powerful gpu's. Not sure I would try a laptop GPU due to not user changeable if you burn it out. My ATI 6950 is just itching to crunch for WCG. Also adds a little more heat for the winter months.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

[To TimAndHedy and everyone else waiting for information on GPU:

You're right, we do like to keep things under wraps. We do that to give us some flexibility in managing our schedule. GPU is not the only new project that we are working on.

We gave the HCC researchers permission to mention that we are working on GPU knowing that it would let the cat out of the bag. So at least you have some information.

But now you're going to have to wait for us to finish the associated prep work.

We will never announce a start date unless we are sure that we can make the date that we announce.

At this time we are not prepared to give you a date for the start of GPU for HCC but we can tell you this:

1. At this time, the plan is to start Beta testing before the end of January, 2012. This may change as conditions arise.

2. Because of the large variety of processors, we will probably have a longer than average Beta test.

Thanks.


Thank You for the response. I do appreciated it and it will help me to focus a bit more on the video card than I would have.

In reality the secrecy buys you nothing and it distorts decisions of everyone else. People will understand when things change especially when you tell them why.
What is frustrating is lack of transparency. You work in a giant bureaucracy, I am sure you have experienced it.

I am not looking for exact dates. Just general outlines of the direction.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

[To TimAndHedy and everyone else waiting for information on GPU:

You're right, we do like to keep things under wraps. We do that to give us some flexibility in managing our schedule. GPU is not the only new project that we are working on.

We gave the HCC researchers permission to mention that we are working on GPU knowing that it would let the cat out of the bag. So at least you have some information.

But now you're going to have to wait for us to finish the associated prep work.

We will never announce a start date unless we are sure that we can make the date that we announce.

At this time we are not prepared to give you a date for the start of GPU for HCC but we can tell you this:

1. At this time, the plan is to start Beta testing before the end of January, 2012. This may change as conditions arise.

2. Because of the large variety of processors, we will probably have a longer than average Beta test.

Thanks.


Thank You for the response. I do appreciated it and it will help me to focus a bit more on the video card than I would have.

In reality the secrecy buys you nothing and it distorts decisions of everyone else. People will understand when things change especially when you tell them why.
What is frustrating is lack of transparency. You work in a giant bureaucracy, I am sure you have experienced it.

I am not looking for exact dates. Just general outlines of the direction.

While I would agree with your logic, I must assert that the facts demonstrate otherwise. It doesn't take too much searching on this forum to see that even the slightest hint of a vague promise of something that might happen is taken as law and there is no end to the complaining when this deadline is not met.

I'm perfectly fine with the amount of information that is provided. They have never failed to let us know what the plans are and which things are intended to be implemented. The only information not typically provided is a specific timeline. Considering the limited resources they have personnel wise and the multitude of delays that can unexpectedly appear, i consider this a very reasonable omission.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

[To TimAndHedy and everyone else waiting for information on GPU:

You're right, we do like to keep things under wraps. We do that to give us some flexibility in managing our schedule. GPU is not the only new project that we are working on.

We gave the HCC researchers permission to mention that we are working on GPU knowing that it would let the cat out of the bag. So at least you have some information.

But now you're going to have to wait for us to finish the associated prep work.

We will never announce a start date unless we are sure that we can make the date that we announce.

At this time we are not prepared to give you a date for the start of GPU for HCC but we can tell you this:

1. At this time, the plan is to start Beta testing before the end of January, 2012. This may change as conditions arise.

2. Because of the large variety of processors, we will probably have a longer than average Beta test.

Thanks.


Thank You for the response. I do appreciated it and it will help me to focus a bit more on the video card than I would have.

In reality the secrecy buys you nothing and it distorts decisions of everyone else. People will understand when things change especially when you tell them why.
What is frustrating is lack of transparency. You work in a giant bureaucracy, I am sure you have experienced it.

I am not looking for exact dates. Just general outlines of the direction.

While I would agree with your logic, I must assert that the facts demonstrate otherwise. It doesn't take too much searching on this forum to see that even the slightest hint of a vague promise of something that might happen is taken as law and there is no end to the complaining when this deadline is not met.

I'm perfectly fine with the amount of information that is provided. They have never failed to let us know what the plans are and which things are intended to be implemented. The only information not typically provided is a specific timeline. Considering the limited resources they have personnel wise and the multitude of delays that can unexpectedly appear, i consider this a very reasonable omission.


Agreed. Just crunch the numbers, folks!

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Re: Help Conquer Cancer September 2011 Update

Because of the large variety of processors, we will probably have a longer than average Beta test.
and then we may get to read all the whining about why a specific GPU is not supported. Am so looking forward to that. devilish
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