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no freedom of speech among academic people

ive noticed a trend among most colleges and universities, where people are not allowed to speak their minds if it might offend someone, in other words no freedom of speech

wouldnt it be wiser to only become offended when comments are only meant to purposely offend or harass others, and not to rationally discuss?

i would expect more from people who claim to be intelligent, but only happen to have a set of knowledge in a particular field and nothing more, can be depressing how limited and primitive an academic mind can be sometimes.

any thoughts and perspectives are appreciated, and ofcourse only of their meant to resolve, or add to the discussion( be they positive, or negative), not to intentionally harass or offend :)
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Re: no freedom of speech among academic people

Thank you for having the courage to bring up a touchy subject like this, greg 2342.

In my opinion Political Correctness is invented by the dark powers.
PC is poison for Freedom of Speech
- as is any kind of blasphemy prohibition
If you offend other people with your opinions, let them take you to court, provided you live in a socitety with a free spirited legislation,
- as I have a hard time seeing for instance stoning as anything fitting life of AD2011.

This goes in general - not only for the intelligentia.

Where are you from, greg2342?

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Re: no freedom of speech among academic people

Greg2342 & little mermaid

Nicely put - overt restrictions on speech eventually chain the mind.
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Greg2342 & little mermaid

Nicely put - overt restrictions on speech eventually chain the mind.

These are the people that are above us mere mortals--they are mired in the muck of academia and only associate with their own kind.To them we are mere trolls or serfs--just look at the state of the US Govt. today and the media--if you push their agenda you will be rewarded with grants for money and be a member of the elite club--Most of us don't have a clue--look up Agenda 21--we are fighting this in our County and it is about power over the classless people--
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@GeraldRube: I used to think the US was the mother of equality.
Now I know it isn't, really.
But how can you be a serf in a free society if you don't want to?
What would academea or the be without you, GeraldRube, fixing their homes, without the plumber to fix their broke bathrooms, without the garbage workers getting their rotting waste out of their way, without the unsuspecting farmboy fighting the wars they dream up?
I think pride lies within yourself.
Noone can take that away from you if you insist on your own value and hang on to it.
All of this world's theory is nothing without all of this world's manual labor. One ought to respect the other.
Agenda 21 is a plaything with some thruth to it.
Slightly off topic.
More on topic:
I myself favor a new Manhattan project made up by free countries to develop alternative energy no matter the cost to secure real freedom freedom from oil to the degree we consume it, that is. Together we have the brain power and the muscles. How hard can that be? It has been done once; not because it was nice or pleasant, but because it was the right thing to do ....
Is Political Correctness capable to block it because it would be in poor taste?

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Re: no freedom of speech among academic people

interesting replies, but a bit off topic, nice to hear peoples thoughts on the subject
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Re: no freedom of speech among academic people

Why don't you guide it back on topic then, greg2342?
We could have an interesting exchange of views if people were interested and not gagged themselves, couldn't we?
And where are you from, by the way?
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A couple of the research groups I was involved with were under restrictions of publication by the pharmacology company sponsors. The research was published despite them and much to the dismay of the sponsors. Some types of grant dwindled after that!
These corporations/companies continue to attack researchers with breach of contract and gagging orders, while at the same time manipulating the wider scientific community into thinking their products are better than they actually are. How? Sponsor 12 groups, only allow the positive results to be published. Then they sell more product, and make grotesque profit before renaming, re-branding and relocating; to avoid being prosecuted, and to pick up grants from various governments. Hence the phrase, evil drug companies.

Then there is the whimsical influence of politicians, who determine governmental grant aid to research teams. Scientists can't exactly express a political opinion or they will lose out on the next grant. If a scientist expresses concern over a factory continually poisoning a river that comes back on the politicians that funded and approved the factory. The same politicians that determine who gets what grant.

So while academic's can say anything they want, it's not free, there is a cost.
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So while academic's can say anything they want, it's not free, there is a cost.-------------maybe they should get a job that doesn't require begging for free money--if the govt got out of this practice maybe business or corporations would fund these projects privately
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A vast majority of US academia is so far to the left they have fallen off the planet and out of touch with reality. Their self serving agenda is to promote their agenda no matter what the cost. Any and all conservative debate is quickly quelched and you're labeled a (right) wingnut. All you have to look at is where this country has gone under the current uber liberal administration. I'm sure our founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
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