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What happens with the results?

The World Community Grid About-us page states:

"As part of our commitment to advancing human welfare, all results will be in the public domain and made public to the global research community."

So far so good, but what happens next? How does that affect potential AIDS drugs and pharma corporations? Can a company still take the results, develop a drug based on our contributions and sell it with exclusive deals and at outrageous prices?
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Re: What happens with the results?

It's the develop a drug part of your statement that goes beyond what this project supplies.

Developing a drug is not easy, it takes time and research and, most importantly, money. Lots of money.

I'm not suggesting that pharmaceutical companies are evil or benevolent, but there would be zero drugs available if they couldn't recover their costs and make a little profit doing so.
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Re: What happens with the results?

From what I know results that come from WCG are public.

Example - The fightaids@home projects discovers some hits.These hits will be public to everyone.However if they develop a lead from any of these hits they won't be public.

I don't know if I am wrong.If I am wrong please correct me.
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Re: What happens with the results?

The World Community Grid About-us page states:

"As part of our commitment to advancing human welfare, all results will be in the public domain and made public to the global research community."

So far so good, but what happens next? How does that affect potential AIDS drugs and pharma corporations? Can a company still take the results, develop a drug based on our contributions and sell it with exclusive deals and at outrageous prices?


Hello dude s,

Thank you for participating in the forums. Dr. Perryman has responded to this question previously. Please review his responses here and here . To review all of Dr. Perryman's posts, you may click here . Thank you very much for participating!

Tedi
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Re: What happens with the results?

Thanks. I was looking for such answers on WCG and FAAH FAQ pages etc., maybe it should be posted there. These things get lost here in the forum, esp. since such posts are hard to search for.

From that reply:
It is certainly true that the Intellectual Property rights of potentially useful discoveries need to be protected (i.e., the patentability of discoveries needs to be preserved), or else useful discoveries will never be developed, mass produced, and delivered to patients.
Although I understand the reasoning behind it - pharma needs to make profit etc. - I think this whole system is perverse.

Say through some weird events, I discover a 100% effective anti-AIDS compound, almost ready to be made into a drug, but I don't have the production facilities. I know, it's near impossible, but let's stick with it for the sake of the argument. Out of the goodness of my heart, instead of locking everything down in patents, I decide to release it into the public domain. So you're saying nobody would pick this up and make the drug?

Sometimes the profit motive just seems to be the wrong motivator. I don't have a better solution at hand and I know R&D costs a lot of money that needs to be recouped. Still, instinctively I feel the knowledge how to cure wide-spread fatal diseases should be available to all mankind, not locked away in the vaults of a few to be exploited for profit.

Especially when it all started with 1000s of unpaid volunteer contributors.
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Re: What happens with the results?

The World Community Grid About-us page states:

"As part of our commitment to advancing human welfare, all results will be in the public domain and made public to the global research community."

So far so good, but what happens next? How does that affect potential AIDS drugs and pharma corporations? Can a company still take the results, develop a drug based on our contributions and sell it with exclusive deals and at outrageous prices?


Hello dude s,

Thank you for participating in the forums. Dr. Perryman has responded to this question previously. Please review his responses here and here . To review all of Dr. Perryman's posts, you may click here . Thank you very much for participating!

Tedi


Nice read it and follow the answers. It's credibility ! thank you !
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smile Re: What happens with the results?

Hi Falconet,

You are completely correct. Any hits that we discover will be made public. If/when other scientists in academia or in the pharmaceutical industry optimize those hits and develop them into an actual drug, then that drug would be proprietary.

Not only are the hits made public, but all of the original results from World Community Grid are legally required to be in the public domain. If other scientists want these results, they just have to ask us.

Thank you for help,
Alex L. Perryman, Ph.D.
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Re: What happens with the results?

Hi dude_s,

I agree that the whole system is a bit warped, but that's life, I suppose.

Before giving a drug to patients, three different phases of clinical trials have to be performed to confirm that the drug is both safe (or at least safe enough) and also effective at its intended purpose (for large numbers of people). Clinical trials cost many millions of dollars. In fact, I believe they generally cost hundreds of millions of dollars. In general, no company is going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to test a potential drug in clinical trials unless they have the ability to recoup their investment and try to make some profit. If that was their business practice, that company would go bankrupt. They actually need to make some profit off of it, just to help pay for the costs of the research, development, and clinical trials for the other potential drugs that ended up failing the clinical trial process. Most drugs that enter clinical trials end up failing those tests in humans. If I remember correctly, less than 5% of potential drugs actually pass the clinical trials.

Luckily, the system is starting to get a bit better for some diseases. See the private-public partnership against malaria, which is called MMV (Medicines for Malaria Venture). This is especially needed for malaria research, since there is almost no profit to be gained by curing malaria patients (i.e., the entire global market for all malaria drugs is only a couple hundred million dollars/year). Malaria is also an example of a disease that we can actually cure, instead of just "treating" it. Of course, there's still the problem that malaria parasites eventually evolve resistance to any of the drugs that have been used against it, which is why the world needs a lot more malaria research to be performed on a fairly constant basis.

Another point to remember is that patents on drugs have a limited lifetime. After the patent expires, then other companies can mass produce and distribute generic, much cheaper versions of the drug. It's not a perfect solution, but at least it helps improve the situation eventually.

Best wishes,
Alex L. Perryman, Ph.D.
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