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Johnny Cool
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I would like to see new badges for at least 5 and 10 years, but I would settle for a new project. It would be nice to have a new goal. smile


I agree with you. biggrin

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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I agree with gb009761 the badges SNURK has come up with are great and can easly show the people who have much larger platorm bases that i do..

I know if new badges were added that I would not have any of them anytime in the near future I just dont have the money to invest in new systems.

I would not doubt that sometime in the future they will add new badges but eithor way the badges I have now will remain what they are cause I know by the time they add them I will still probably not have faster computers.
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I feel like now there's a little calm after the DSFL storm, may we talk about this topic again? biggrin
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I feel like now there's a little calm after the DSFL storm, may we talk about this topic again? biggrin


You certainly did.

What do you expect to accomplish by talking about this? It isn't going to cause WCG staff to work on new badges when they already have their hands full?
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I feel like now there's a little calm after the DSFL storm, may we talk about this topic again? biggrin


You certainly did.

What do you expect to accomplish by talking about this? It isn't going to cause WCG staff to work on new badges when they already have their hands full?

It probably won't, I agree. However, continued feedback from the volunteer community is fair and appropriate. So, if community members raise a continued desire for additional badges, there is nothing wrong with that. So hopefully one day WCG will pick that up and address it. Albeit, and I am sure every single WCG contributor will agree with that, this little "vanity" should never take priority over the actual/scientific work performed by the WCG staff.
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I think it would be cool if instead of these background colors that change quantally at intervals, we used a spectral scale from violet to red with the color changing more gradually and continously. The range would have to have an upper limit though, what would red be? Maybe ten years or so. I wonder if Snurk tried this with his globe? Maybe the cpu load is too great...
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I say 'credit where credit's due' - not that this issue is ever going to effect me.
It was a most unfortunate decision that the WCG selected badges for runtime rather than points. This encourages low-power HT systems such as atom CPU's, people to keep high energy requiring Pent. D HT systems amongst others, the running of underclocked (low-power profiles) and the selection of systems that spend longer running the hard to come by Beta, DDDT2 and HCMD2 tasks. The I/O performance issues with CEP2 would also be relatively less with a low powered HT system. So that is 4 projects that better credit low powered HT systems.

I was surprised that the WCG missed the opportunity to rectify these problems with the release of the last new project. These issues seem to have been around for a some time, and oddly left unfixed. I think this is disrespectful to the concerned crunchers.

4 years, seems like an obvious choice, should the WCG want to continue in the same vein, but 5 million points would make more sense.
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I would like to see new badges for at least 5 and 10 years,... It would be nice to have a new goal. smile



I too would like to see badges for 5 and 10 years. Then maybe 25 and 50 years....
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

Sure, it should be debated, how badges should be given: for Runtime or Points.
Fundamentally it should be runtime against points. Runtime is (should be) the effective time spent by a CPU core to crunch for WCG. It does not mean that this runtime is efficiently used. Not at all. I think here we have to reward justly the efforts relative to what one can offer.
If you have a Cray Jaguar supercomputer available and use it for 10 minutes, you will generate around 10 million points. You will be on the top of points list and that is normal, but you made available your machine for just 10 minutes out of 24 hours (0.69 %).
If you only can afford to have just a low performance PC but make the effort to have it available say 12 hours per day (50%) then who is doing relatively the biggest effort?
You have to put aside the financial parameter, otherwise you will reward the fat wallet and forget the others. But a lot of thinner wallets will beat the fattest one. And here we need quantity. So it is correct to reward the slow going machines too.
So we have the points classification to reward results, and the badges to reward the time.

Regarding points, frankly the points generation system is a little artificial at least if you try to rank yourself in BOINC. Those using GPU capable projects will generate enormous amount of points, but in terms of runtime you only have 24 hours in a day. Points can also be tweaked to make a project more attractive.

Now this said I think too that we should have badges for 5, 10, 20, 30, 50, years per project. I am sure if such badges would exist, the CEP2 project would clearly get more attention and effort, as the badge race would continue after the 2 year sapphire limit.
We could also imagine special badges 50, 75, 100 years for the cumulative runtime.
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Re: Create Badges Beyond Sapphire?

I'm of the opinion that this is going to happen, it's just a matter of when they have time available. To me, the next logical badges are 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 year. That is in keeping with the roughly doubling of time between the levels.

When they start addressing new badges, I want them to seriously consider this idea as well: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,28673
Having a badge at one validated result helps out those who simply don't have the resources to contribute massive amounts of CPU power as Hypernova so eloquently stated. It's hard to sit on the sidelines while a new project launches and people are reporting emerald, sapphire, and soon beyond before you can even generate a bronze.
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