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William LeGro
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Feb 26, 2009 Post Count: 99 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I'm sure this topic has been broached before, but there's just no way I have time to search all the past discussions to see how it's been handled - and besides, from what I see, the issue hasn't been solved at all anyway.
----------------------------------------We can look at global statistics to see how the leading members are doing. Well, the leading "member" has over 50,000 devices running! How is this "member" not a team? One individual has 50,000 computers? I don't think so - not even Bill Gates can run 50,000 computers hisownself. There are statistics for teams and for members - but defining people who have 50,000 computers as "members" kind of makes the category meaningless, doesn't it? I have one device running - my home computer. I'm not on a team. How can I legitimately be compared to a 50,000-computer "member"? I would like to see statistics for actual individual members, not just what are apparently institutional members - people like me who have one or two devices working. I've dedicated my only computer to this - I've burned out a logic board running it 24/7, and just had to buy a new computer because of that, and again I have it working 24/7 for the cause. Yet I'm in the same statistical bunch as people running tens, hundreds or thousands of computers. Sorry, but I feel a little miffed. I'm not doing this for glory, and I would do it regardless, but some recognition is welcome - I'm not 100-percent altruistic, I guess. And I would guess neither are many other members - after all, the ranking and badge systems existed long before I joined. So I think a more rational, just ranking system is sorely needed here.  |
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bieberj
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Dec 2, 2004 Post Count: 406 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I have one device running - my home computer. I'm not on a team. How can I legitimately be compared to a 50,000-computer "member"? Simple. Buy another 49,999 computers and set them all up.  Seriously, I agree with you. I have asked for badges that are based on the number of devices that has been active over the membership's lifetime. And as far as I can tell it is not going to happen. For a number of reasons: 1) It takes some time and work to come up with a new set of badges. 2) The techs here have their plates full to spend time on this nice enhancement. It is pointless to compare yourself with those that have lots of computers. And not much you can do about it. So just crunch on for humanity. |
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codes
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Oct 20, 2009 Post Count: 142 Status: Offline |
If it was up to me I'd say get rid of any ranking system. What's important is finding cures. Oh well, we all have our opinion.
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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If it was up to me I'd say get rid of any ranking system. What's important is finding cures. Oh well, we all have our opinion. But the rankings are o create a competition spirit in order to get more results.  - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I have one device running - my home computer. I'm not on a team. How can I legitimately be compared to a 50,000-computer "member"? Why would anyone be interested in comparing you with anyone else? Doesn't seem that important to me. In this system, you do what you can do and that is all that anyone can ask. I compare how I am doing compared to others but no one gets to rate or rank me against other crunchers. |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I'm sure this topic has been broached before, but there's just no way I have time to search all the past discussions to see how it's been handled - and besides, from what I see, the issue hasn't been solved at all anyway. We can look at global statistics to see how the leading members are doing. Well, the leading "member" has over 50,000 devices running! How is this "member" not a team? One individual has 50,000 computers? I don't think so - not even Bill Gates can run 50,000 computers hisownself. There are statistics for teams and for members - but defining people who have 50,000 computers as "members" kind of makes the category meaningless, doesn't it? I have one device running - my home computer. I'm not on a team. How can I legitimately be compared to a 50,000-computer "member"? I would like to see statistics for actual individual members, not just what are apparently institutional members - people like me who have one or two devices working. I've dedicated my only computer to this - I've burned out a logic board running it 24/7, and just had to buy a new computer because of that, and again I have it working 24/7 for the cause. Yet I'm in the same statistical bunch as people running tens, hundreds or thousands of computers. Sorry, but I feel a little miffed. I'm not doing this for glory, and I would do it regardless, but some recognition is welcome - I'm not 100-percent altruistic, I guess. And I would guess neither are many other members - after all, the ranking and badge systems existed long before I joined. So I think a more rational, just ranking system is sorely needed here. You are right William LeGro. Lets compare between individual members. I am a typical example. An individual cruncher in his home basement. 19 Desktops crunching. 15 Units are exclusively for WCG 24/7. 16 Intel Core i7 980X Hexacore 12 threads 3 Intel Core i7 950 Quadcore 8 threads. Total 216 threads. When all machines run exclusively for WCG I can deliver over 800'000 points per day. At the moment my very esteemed collegue trn_xs has nearly my capability. He has 14 powerful units crunching. He beats me from time to time. So William LeGro I woul be very happy if you join us on the summit of the individual crunchers for the benefit of WCG. The door is open to the club   |
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William LeGro
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Feb 26, 2009 Post Count: 99 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Wow! I guess I've been smacked down good! Thanks! You probably think I needed that. You're, like, GOD! Even your name is awesome!
----------------------------------------To everyone else: Thank you for responding. I just wanted to see how others felt about this issue, trivial as it may be. Sometimes I think I let my competitive nature talk too much. It surprises me how I can take stuff like points and badges (in a charity drive yet) so seriously, even for a few moments. I mean, if there's points and badges, I want'em! Gimme! But if there aren't points and badges, I'll still take part in the cause. So I think I'm over it. Thanks again, people. |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The real problem is proving who is running the systems themselves or using "other" resources like work PC's. Also, many of us have what we call Borged PC's. Should those count? There is just too many factors to rule out or make exceptions for like individual incomes to pay for the systems and the electricity. The fact is, the world just isn't fair and you are asking to exclude others because you don't feel capable. You may not have a chance to get #1 with your one system, but you can still compare yourself to those close to you in the ranks.
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Wow! I guess I've been smacked down good! Thanks! You probably think I needed that. You're, like, GOD! Even your name is awesome! To everyone else: Thank you for responding. I just wanted to see how others felt about this issue, trivial as it may be. Sometimes I think I let my competitive nature talk too much. It surprises me how I can take stuff like points and badges (in a charity drive yet) so seriously, even for a few moments. I mean, if there's points and badges, I want'em! Gimme! But if there aren't points and badges, I'll still take part in the cause. So I think I'm over it. Thanks again, people. William LeGro, Many have long recognized that within the member rankings there are different "leagues", so BOINCstats http://boincstats.com/stats/user_graph.php?pr=wcg&id=566318 or the stats my own team runs ** have long advanced on that... There's all sorts of customized targets e.g. as the overtake... I'm on 365+ days to pass the next one up in my team, but 197 days from being overtaken based on present RAC ... LoL. ** Join a team and the whole experience is spiced up a whole lot more. Some teams even progressed to their own sub groups and teams, so we have our own internal races too, all for fun, the main is to crunch for whatever tickles your fancy. --//--
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