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Former Member
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I think there is a fair chance several will reach 1000years for one badge within the next 5years. "several" is a LOT less than 527,000 members. |
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sk..
Master Cruncher http://s17.rimg.info/ccb5d62bd3e856cc0d1df9b0ee2f7f6a.gif Joined: Mar 22, 2007 Post Count: 2324 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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These crunchers do the most work, so they deserve the most respect. A badge that reflects their contribution to a project is just a way to show this respect.
----------------------------------------In 2 more years you will probably have passed 100years run time, with many projects with 20+ years completed. Stretch that out to 5years and you could be pushing for 100years for one project, if you chose to mainly crunch for one project, and even reach 10years for the rest. There will probably be hundreds of people in the same situation, and a few thousand not too far off, hopefully more. [Edit 1 times, last edit by skgiven at Oct 10, 2010 7:39:10 PM] |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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New badges per project. I agree that they could be simpler with the total number of years as a multiple of 10 which is engraved on the badge.
----------------------------------------We could also have a special badge for the cumulative total. 50 years, 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years. After all, finished projects cannot improve but they contribute to the overall total. Anyway I made the diamond gemstone one for overall 50 years. I am thinking about the design of the 100 year that I should reach by March 2011. skgiven unfortunately I am not in your list.  Not yet   |
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evilkats
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 4, 2007 Post Count: 162 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Neither am I on the list, it is too short.
Let's be realistic in our desires on this matter and for now cap the highest desired badge to 10 years. It is within reach to the top 1000 members.  |
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anhhai
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Mar 22, 2005 Post Count: 839 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Personally, I would recommend a release of only the 5, 10, and a maybe 20 yr badge per project along with cumulative badges. However, design something for more and release them later (like 1 yrs from now). Releasing new badges every year or so will give people lots of immediate goals to look forward to. Not just some long of goal. When people get new CPU, release a new badge, keep setting a new top position. Saying I got the 2nd best badge, doesn't sounds as good as saying I got the top badge.
----------------------------------------Currently to be in the top 50 daily contributor in run-time, you need to contribute about 100 CPU days per real day, thats about 2 yrs per week. Currently with 7 active projects, it would take about 70 CPU yrs to get a 10 yr badge for every currently active project. Thats 35 weeks. So it is not a easy thing to achieve. If the 20 yr badge was also release, then everything is multiple by 2, 70 weeks to get all the badges. However, to be in the top 500 daily contributor in run-time, it is only about 20 CPU days per real day. So a 10 yr badge for all projects in would take 175 weeks or about 3 yrs. 3 yrs, thats a long time. For the 20 yr badge, thats about 6 yrs. Yes I know that if they upgrade to newer CPUs, it will be faster. But we are talking about current abilities + not a lot of people will be going out to buy a new 2k system just to crunch. We also don't want badges that are too hard to get or else people will only do 1 project to get the badge they want. Makes the badges achievable to a nice amount of people. Yes the higher ups deserve special honors since they do so much, however the uber contributors won't be going out and trying to contribute even more just for some badges. These badges are for the masses, so they should be obtainable for a reasonable amount of people.  |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Specific to my previous reply (if no one reads the link, than no one will understand), we'll be having certificates at some point in time with levels that will exceed even the current biggest contributor totals... up to 5000 years is scheduled and at least 1 level will be there that no one has yet achieved. Print on call-off.
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Boy...how nice to print off a certificate to show my friends who don't care about distributed computing.
----------------------------------------Edit: This reminds me of those eBay certificates for positive feedback. Completely worthless! I still say a system like Prime Grid's badges would be better. Just hover the mouse over the badge and you can see their total run times. Leave it Sapphire if you want and just add total run times or total complete years. Even yoyo@home keeps the same badge and just adds stars and such to indicate much higher accomplishments.     [Edit 1 times, last edit by Coleslaw at Oct 11, 2010 9:20:57 AM] |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I still say a system like Prime Grid's badges would be better. Just hover the mouse over the badge and you can see their total run times. Leave it Sapphire if you want and just add total run times or total complete years. Coleslaw may be as a temporary intermediate solution that can be implemented faster yes I would agree. But the badge is an object that is visual and has a greater impact in terms of achievement. How many times you will bother to go on each project badge of each member that appears in the forums to have the information. A specific badge makes the recognition istantaneous. This is why I still prefer specific badges. But I am not against certificates if they are nice and well designed. This reminds me of those eBay certificates for positive feedback. Completely worthless! Coleslaw I do not agree on the fundamentals here. If it was worthless then it is because we decided so. The value of a WCG certificate is not "worthless", it will be worth exactly the value that we will give to it. It works as with paper money. Its value depends on what we consider it is worth. If I look at the dollar that's not very much. I can remember times with an exchange rate of 1 US$ for 3 Swiss Francs. Today 1 US$ is worth 0.98 Swiss cents.  If the certificate is a measure of how much someone, by himself and his own efforts, has contributed to a noble humanitarian cause (WCG or else) than the certificate is very very valuable. But this is my personal point of view and others may not share it. In the end everything is very subjective and relative.  |
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sk..
Master Cruncher http://s17.rimg.info/ccb5d62bd3e856cc0d1df9b0ee2f7f6a.gif Joined: Mar 22, 2007 Post Count: 2324 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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A cross project cert has already been done by Boinc. It looks something like this,
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Einstein@Home 15773 27 November 2009 climateprediction.net 611320 5 June 2006 Rosetta@home 227169 7 June 2006 World Community Grid 4046186 22 March 2007 malariacontrol.net 132123 23 April 2007 Lattice Project 50531 23 October 2009 SIMAP 115516 6 June 2006 TANPAKU 308176 10 November 2006 RALPH@Home 10536 15 December 2007 Seasonal Attribution 8280 23 April 2007 Spinhenge@home 13984 10 November 2006 Docking@Home 196676 10 October 2008 proteins@home 12286 6 February 2007 orbit@home 55627 16 April 2008 Hydrogen@Home 503 17 July 2010 Superlink@Technion 42515 20 July 2007 POEM@HOME 51959 4 January 2010 yoyo@home 77525 15 April 2008 MilkyWay@home 389832 22 December 2007 IBERCIVIS 33832 23 January 2009 AQUA@home 850773 2 June 2009 WUProp@Home 6736 7 September 2010 GPUGRID 41803105 23 April 2009 HAL@Home 942736 5 March 2010 DrugDiscovery@Home 377 3 August 2010 RNA World 55631 11 February 2010 CAS@home 1452 11 September 2010  So certs already exist and can be used in a sig with help from, BOINC Statistics for the WORLD! Statistics for the WORLD! BOINCstats The Knights Who Say 'Ni!' BOINC all Project Stats Team Starfire World BOINC Stats 'N Stones Free-DC Also, we can already create this logo and add it with stats to our web sites,  skgiven: 28,308,520 Points Help projects like: Computing for Clean Water, The Clean Energy Project - Phase 2, Discovering Dengue Drugs - Together - Phase 2, Help Cure Muscular Dystrophy - Phase 2, Help Fight Childhood Cancer, Help Conquer Cancer, Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2, FightAIDS@Home http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/getDynamicI...sOn=true&special=true We can even add all and any of the data in our own accounts to a post or our sig, Computing for Clean Water 308,159 775 0:116:10:36:06  The Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 93,476 191 0:028:18:32:38  Help Cure Muscular Dystrophy - Phase 2 4,468,659 12,416 6:140:18:05:42  Help Fight Childhood Cancer 5,084,996 6,906 6:079:22:36:04  Help Conquer Cancer 4,143,394 10,905 4:263:09:59:28  Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2 4,142,997 7,247 5:062:19:14:26  FightAIDS@Home 1,978,485 2,870 2:107:05:39:54  ... Then there is augmenting the existing badges in our sig and doing what SNURK and Hypernova did. So what would a certificate add  It's just not the answer, and might spell the end of the badge system. [Edit 2 times, last edit by skgiven at Oct 11, 2010 12:22:27 PM] |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
With provision of the verification key, NOT the weak account key which has a different function, you can already allow 3rd party stats collectors to aggregate per-science totals. De Bok is waiting on a general facilitation of this, but if he would set a field on his stats site where the interested can enter the code without making it public, it can already be done by some.
----------------------------------------Why certificates 'might' spell the end of the badge system I don't fathom. It's for a different audience / target group... the College that has 1000 CPUs hooked up to WCG or the Corporation that's donating 100-10000 cores to stick in their company good-deeds news page... similar Team/Individual certificates... stick it on your computer desktop (if there is no corporate dictate), to show off to colleagues or stick it on the cubicle wall and frame it or whatever... at any rate, badges, a WCG invention for all I know, the others having copied and of course improved on the system are here to stay... edit: ... and hunted for.
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