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dividedbymyself
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Badge for participation

Wouldn't it be possible to create a badge just for participating (at least one result returned) in a certain WCG project? Not everybody crunches just for WCG and I think it would be nice to be able to show a badge for all projects one crunches for WCG, also when the 14 days have not yet been reached. Also it's hard to get a badge for beta.
I propose a badge with a white background.

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Re: Badge for participation

Bart,

We used to have at the inception of badges only a 14 day gray or white backgrounded badge, depending on the alternating color of the post. Don't think it's going to happen for 1 result of other 1 time processing, past discussions not having brought anything to table that were "convincing" to deviate from the minima set at the time.

One of the prior discussions is here, going by exactly the same title as your post: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,28673

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A thread with exactly the same title. I thought I was being original ;)

I read the thread looking for one reasonable argument why not to give such a badge, but haven't found one. The badge is not the reward for the time donated, it's a token of participation and the background color is the reward. It is already like that, except fort the "missing" badge for participation. A badge would mean nothing more than "I participate(d) in this project", even when someones resources are limited. Every frequent visitor of the board with a trained eye (not blind) and two working and connected braincells would immediately see what a white badge means and for new people on the board the tooltip could read something like "New to <project name>".
And it's "distributed computing" after all, not "braggers computing". That thread has gone astray by ridiculing the initial idea and -in relation to the initial idea- irrelevant arguments like "and what if I'm 1 day short of sapphire".

But I'm not going to reopen the discussion so I rest my case.

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Re: Badge for participation

Hello Bart,
I support your proposition.
A badge just for 1 result would in my opinion encourage people to go on cruching, or to return, if they have stopped crunching for whatever reason.
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Sorry to be so late in responding Bart. As the originator of that other thread, I was amazed at the level of vitriol and incivility directed towards me personally and the internet in general over what I considered to be a reasonable request. At the risk of being overly dramatic, I very nearly abandoned WCG because of the hostile responses. I did take an extended vacation from the forums.

I agree completely with your thoughts on the thread. There was not a single valid reason beyond the time to implement. I still refuse to believe that the amount of resources required to implement something that is already designed is that extreme. Even so, the benefits far outweigh the costs in my opinion. One merely need read the badge threads when a new project is released to see the value of a white badge. Take a look at DDT2 if you dare.

Perhaps you have the better approach to this suggestion. I wish I could just let it go like you have.
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At the risk of being overly dramatic, I very nearly abandoned WCG because of the hostile responses. I did take an extended vacation from the forums.

Yes. You are right. You are at a very high risk of being over dramatic.
I had a lot of battles on this forum. I got tons of vitriol and I gave back that with interest to the people who tried that trick with me instead of arguments. In general I think official people working on this project can do a little more in growing WCG or improving this experience, but thinking on leaving this wonderful idea, NO, FOR SURE NOT.
Let's not forget that every idea has 1% good will and 99% is you pride that is somehow harmed when it is not going your way.
That being said, I support the idea with the White (or whatever) badge for 1 result.
Now... let's not forget why I really posted here: HEY!!! WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY TIME SPENT ON THE UD PROJECTS? NOBODY IS STILL WORKING ON THIS?????????!!!!!!!???????? O well... going back to my dark cave. Good night.
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Now... let's not forget why I really posted here: HEY!!! WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY TIME SPENT ON THE UD PROJECTS? NOBODY IS STILL WORKING ON THIS?????????!!!!!!!???????? O well... going back to my dark cave. Good night.


damir1978 we all have worked very seriously regarding your time spent on the UD projects. The missing UD credits have been found. The recovery is a little tough at the moment but work is going on. We hope that in a year or two we will be able to do the physical recovery. But please read the following excellent thread which explains in detail where things stand.

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/...ad,30071_offset,20#299465
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over what I considered to be a reasonable request.

A reasonable request at least. In fact a genius idea. The genius are alway ignored and ridiculed in the beginning, because they think what other people even can't fathom. But hey, I had the same idea, so what else can I say ;)
At the risk of being overly dramatic, I very nearly abandoned WCG because of the hostile responses. I did take an extended vacation from the forums

That's the problem with credit systems and such. The competitiveness takes over from the initial goal.
I agree completely with your thoughts on the thread. There was not a single valid reason beyond the time to implement. I still refuse to believe that the amount of resources required to implement something that is already designed is that extreme.

A few lines of code?
Even so, the benefits far outweigh the costs in my opinion. One merely need read the badge threads when a new project is released to see the value of a white badge. Take a look at DDT2 if you dare.

Genius ideas can be that simple.
Perhaps you have the better approach to this suggestion.

I'm drained of arguments.
I wish I could just let it go like you have.

Well, I made my point. If nothing is done with it, okay, I'm just a spec of dust. Forums are not a democracy. There are always a few with big mouths that rule the mob, and no one else dares to say something because of the risk of being ridiculed.
Even though I'm out of arguments, when others like the idea, they're allowed to give their support in one of the threads about this topic.

Hail all who do support the idea!
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Re: Badge for participation

No badge will appear until members contribute a minimum 14 days of run time to a research project. World Community Grid may occasionally change these rules for certain projects. This was done for the AfricanClimate@Home project, which required only 1 days worth of run time for a Bronze badge, 7 days for a Silver badge, and 30 days for a Gold badge, 45 days for Ruby, 60 days for Emerald, and 75 days for Sapphire
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Astrolab,
you must have been digging deep to find justification for your stance.
No badge will appear until members contribute a minimum 14 days
That's the policy that was proposed to change. Not the background color, but the initial badge for participation. I hate to quote myself, but I'll make an exception for you:
The badge is not the reward for the time donated, it's a token of participation and the background color is the reward. It is already like that, except fort the "missing" badge for participation.
which you can find in this post.

What's the status of AfricanClimate anyway? As far as I know it's finished.
I don't see the relation between the initial badge proposition and the quote you gave.
But what would such projects change to what is proposed? It would only mean the background color would change more quickly from white to bronze. Enlighten me if I'm wrong or missed something. A day nothing learned is a day wasted.

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