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i'm not judging...

but DDDT2 doesn't seem to be taking advantage of the power that the Grid has to offer...
Discuss.
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Re: i'm not judging...

Well, let me see. A Wu gets sent out to a computer. The WU is crunched. The result is returned. The result gets validated. Seems to be working.

You're going to have to be a LOT more specific.
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Re: i'm not judging...

I need a bath,

What's there anew to discuss? The scientists are working there buds off to verify we're not producing the GO after the GI. Until the ts are fully agreeing to the calibration and reference data, DDDT2 flow will not exist. On what the 'ts' work units are for refer to prior discussions and explanations.
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Re: i'm not judging...

I need a bath, which would you prefer???

a) For all the "A types" to be dumped into the WCG hopper and let run, then, without any checking, for the "B types" to be created, dumped into the hopper and run - likewise for the "C types". Then, after all 22,000,000+ WU's have been processed for the scientists to turn round and say "sorry - the algorithms were off by 0.2%, we'll have to run it all through again", or;

b) Wait until we've got everything totally confirmed by the scientists that when the flood gates are opened up, that we'll be getting valid results (with the subsequent verification steps in between each phase)?

I know which one I'd prefer (and I'm sure the majority of people would agree that it's option 'b') - after all, have you ever heard of the computer term "GIGO' (Garbage In, Garbage Out)?

All we need, is patience - science can not be rushed!!!!
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Re: i'm not judging...

Good call, gb009761.

I don't think that anyone wants a project with continuos work unit flow and after 2 years the scientists have to admit that the results are worthless.

The project description in some of the DDDT2 threads tell us, that DDDT2 is anything else than routine. This research approach has the potential to widen the boundaries of bio-informatics again.
As always in research, the first steps into a an entirely new area are slow before newly gained knowledge allows for faster steps in this new landscape.

Some of the WCG projects are not only about generating calculated results for the scientists: They are also about finding new methods and processes to approach the given challenges. This applies at least for FAAH, HCC, HCMD and DDDT. The news published by the scientists in recent months show this very clearly.
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I need a bath, which would you prefer???


I said I wasn't judging. I don't prefer anything. I just don't see the Grid resource being used fully. I wonder if what is being done now could have been done off-Grid. Let me reiterate: I'm just wondering. I don't know and am not guessing. Just wondering...
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Re: i'm not judging...

I wonder if what is being done now could have been done off-Grid.

Well, I think this is quite easy to explain: As you know, the total amount of work for this project is very large, so a few off-Grid bots would never manage to comute this project in a reasonable time.

But to fine-tune the system (which took until now about 117 years (excl. ß)), you have to do this in the productive area, which is in this case the grid.

I am sure, that one day, when this fine-tuning is completed, the WUs will run more constant, and latest then they will use the power of WCG...!!!

I guess you are also waiting for a change to improve your badges (you're in the same situation like me, only one Linux bot, so it's hard to get badge improvements), but don't forget: The mysterious c4cw project can start every minute... I can barely wait to crunch my first WU for this project... biggrin
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Re: i'm not judging...

I need a bath, sure, all the results returned so far (some 244,580 - acording to the current statistics page), COULD have been processed by a bank of computers within the scientists labs - although would that have ensured that when scaled up to the WCGrid, everything would still have run as expected?

Quite often, not even an Alpha & Beta test run will ensure that all the bugs/issues are resolved - as there are just so many individual scenarios (particularly in science), that, only can be ironed out by 'ramping the project up' in a controlled manner (such as this has been).

I'm sure the scientists are as keen (if not keener) than us, to get these results being made available to them - but, as always, they need to be as near as possible to 100% sure that the results are valid.

We've got to remember, that, in the future, there is a possibility of some type of drug(s) being produced from the outcome of these WU's we're crunching, and, although I know that there'll be many tests done in between, inevitably, those tests will have been based on the work done here.

So, in answer to your question "are the Grid resources being used fully", I'd say a definate YES - especially considering that, whilst the DDDT2 scientists are beavering away in their labs, we're helping other projects move forward.
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Re: i'm not judging...

but DDDT2 doesn't seem to be taking advantage of the power that the Grid has to offer...
Discuss.
Not yet, sure, but where is the problem?
There would be a problem if the power not yet used by DDDT2 would be frozen.
But since the power of WCG is permanently balanced between all projects what is not used by DDDT2 while they check results is used by all other projects.
And when DDDT2 are ready to submit work they instantly get all the power they need.

So, there is no prejudice for anybody as far as WCG power is concerned.
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Re: i'm not judging...

True for all those willing to install Linux; free yes, but not most people's choice operating system; well not just yet.
There is no need to knobble someone for expressing their genuine concern. It might be misguided, or might occasionally highlight something that can be improved, but clearly (and going by 15 badges) it would not have been expressed for reasons other than concern.
For those that dare to be wrong, and brave the unnecessary gears, the reward is occasionally being right, and making a significant difference. So correct people when they are wrong, but don'€™t mock their ignorance, unless you are all knowing.
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