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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Hi kateiacy

A definite no. It's the first thing I check after setting "While processor usage is less than" from 25 to 0

I am being short changed on hours on the Atom with HT enabled runiing xubuntu but I can hardly complain as they are just "virtual" ones

I popped by to share my favourite sentence of the week. It's from PC Pro's April 2011 Edition (Time travelling print press smile).

It reads


"ARM rather forced Microsoft's hand with the way it's adding power to it's chips" says Wes Miller, research vice president at analyst Directions on Microsoft.


I am sure I don't need to explain why I delight in it's construction

It's bliss


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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

A Sandy Bridge system might be of interest here: According to my calculations it does 143 floating point MIPS/W (but see caveats below).


Mighty impressive statistics, waitingForTheMiracle!

I'm looking forward to seeing what you get with Ubuntu, although based on our recent posts on the benchmarks thread, I'm not sure what the comparison will mean.
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Thanks smile
Although I guess most of the credit goes to people large and small who have been pushing for better efficiency over the years, and to the engineers who make it happen.

Thanks for reminding me about the Ubuntu efficiency stats, I'll be posting them within a couple of days.

I agree that these comparisons are not perfect, but as long they are in the ballpark of reality they can still be useful.
In the same sense, I suppose, as points or runtime stats do not translate directly to "scientific usefulness". But the stats have the advantage of being simpler to get, and an approximate indicator is presumably better than nothing wink
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

OS: Win 7 64 bit (the OS can make quite a bit of difference in power consumption, especially for what you get "out of the box". Planning to test with Linux/Ubuntu later.)

I spoke too quickly on this one.

The last time I compared power consumption between OSes was on an i7 920 box: Win XP would idle at 85 W while Ubuntu 9.4 server would idle at 120 W. It took me the better part of a week to hunt down the various power saving configurations spread all over the place in command line Linux.

But with Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.10 desktop, it's a wash - they are within a couple of watts of each other at idle as well as under load. Any difference in floating point MIPS/W efficiency is smaller than the uncertainty in the BOINC floating point benchmark (~5%).

I suppose the good news is that power efficiency considerations are not important for the choice of OS smile

For anyone curious about the power management of a Linux system, I recommend Powertop. It's primarily intended for laptops, but works well for desktops and servers too, although you won't get power consumption estimates for non-laptops.
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2011...s_for_Next_Gen_Chips.html

50% more number crunching per core

Same power envelope????


Will need a new motherboard - but the old Phenom II's will be forwards compatible

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http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/...nd-compilers-1232290.html

mmmmm thinking

Is the 8 core really 4 cores with underlying hardware supported hyperthreading - gentle Intel dig smile - or really 8 cores

The key question is will the 95W TDP FX-8110 deliver back to WCG more completed Work Units in the same time as my 95W TDP 6 core 1055T

I don't know at the moment but it will be fun to find out biggrin

The next hoped for step in my "doing more with less" quest

I feel a new motherboard coming on hypnotized
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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Each AMD Bulldog module has 2 complete integer cores. This is much faster than hyperthreading. However, each integer core is slower than the AMD Phenom II core. Adding 2 integer cores to each FPU adds less than 5% to the silicon area, just as Intel adding hyperthreading to a core adds less than 5% to silicon area.

My personal opinion is that AMD is making things much easier for the CPU architects. The original Core 2 CPU did not have hyperthreading because it took the architects a long time to add it to a new core design. This is a good design for the future.

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Re: Can you do more with less? 106.5 Floating Point MIPS/W

Hi Lawrence

The AMD design has certainly moved the goalposts and integrating the GPU as in Fusion processors further muddies the water. It's the shared FPU in a Bulldozer "Module" that I am having doubts about when it comes to crunching on the grid.

I think it will score well in the single threaded boinc benchmark but the only way to know how well it will perform multithreaded is to take it for a run

When the WCG started I was running a single core Athlon 2100+ which ran as hot as toast. We've come a long way since then.

Lawrence you will know, are we still producing the crunching code in standard x86 sans optimisations?

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Yep, the shared FPU might be key to how it performs when it comes to crunching. Applications supporting Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX) should do very nicely, but if not/until they do performance will take a hit.
There is a good chance we will start to see more performance segregation between floating point and integer intensive apps for different CPU architectures. So one CPU would be better at crunching for one project than another. CPU choice will come down to which project(s) you want to crunch for, if we are informed about which projects are fp or int intensive.

The SB i7-2600K is almost 20% faster than a mid-range i7-800 series CPU (both 95W TDP), so for now a well designed SB system should be the most efficient CPU for crunching, despite the stupid on-die GPU. When BD is released it might depend on what you are crunching, and by the end of the year the 6core/12thread SB systems will probably be more efficient again.
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yep looking forward to being a Bulldozer guinea pig biggrin

They could be terrible but I think it will be worth taking the reduced instruction set

roll on June
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