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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Update: As of this minute also my My Grid By-Project has updated, the last bit of rankings and cumulatives in top section with time stamp always the very last bit... 15 more minutes for y'all, except me, of nailbiting

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edit: The Yesterday afternoon portion of validated work has not added in, but this morning's part has, so it will be the March 27 history needing rerun come when the techs get to it.
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

same here Sek. Just missing yesterday afternoon work also.
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

BTW, the Global Sunday midday stats after a top Saturday look superb. Yesterday we did all together 297 years and extrapolating the 152.5 with usual Sunday afternoon kick it looks to head for 310-315 years range.
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Oh good, I figured you all would be on this! I was concerned when there was an update today, but a long-running WU that had validated yesterday *still* didn't show in my statistics.

Human nature is funny. Even though we do this for the science, we still very much want the credit for what we've actually done. crying

This summer I will be teaching in a program introducing minority undergraduate math majors to biostatistics. One of the things I will have the students do is to participate in WCG as a way of learning about how advanced technology is used in medical and environmental research. I was thinking about how disheartening it would be for such a student if there were glitches and they didn't get their appropriate credit. So I'm happy to be assured that such glitches will be straightened out and the human nature needs met. biggrin
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

For those that need a little bit more re-assurance that nothing is lost, please look in your BOINCmgr [advanced view] Statistics tab. Select WCg and User Total. As you will see there, the credit information send by WCG has no dip, at least, when I tick with mouse on the March 27 data point, then on March 26, I see 1,515,500.55 credit for Friday and 1,516,729.57 for March 27, netting to 1229.02 credit or 8,600 points. Time shift of the client stats and WCG stats considering 1 hour differential and having had a huge amount of that weekend crunching PV jail sent results, pretty much on the mark. Probably the 3rd party BOINC stats keepers will also have had the normal export values... just the part that presents the converted to points having stumbled, and indeed when I look there I see

26th: 2,828 credit
27th: 2,284 credit

Now it's sports hour [from the TV comfy chair], so please do not disturb biggrin
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Probably the 3rd party BOINC stats keepers will also have had the normal export values...
Yep, BOINCstats daily numbers are OK for yesterday and today (they run their daily about 17:00 UTC usually). So nothing has been lost and when the failing steps will have been rerun all WCG stats numbers should be fine.

Edit: I just checked something else in My Grid and, guess what, March 27 stats are OK now.
As far as I can see, the only remaining rework to do is for team stats. Keep watching. smile
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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Hello kateiacy.
Human nature is funny. Even though we do this for the science, we still very much want the credit for what we've actually done. crying
The current "badge" system of recognition rewards the computing-side of crunching (runtimes, volume of results, and the like). The science-side of crunching is not recognized at all in terms of credit/reward for crunchers who have "hit" on what may be-, or lead to-, a science milestone. As to the teaching that you've mentioned, you have a chance to emphasize to the students that the science-side of crunching, while not recognized as much (if at all) as the computing-side of crunching, remains the prime objective.

However, if the stats fail, it does not matter if the stats are computing-side based or science-side based. A stats glitch disappoints most everyone, most everywhere, most of the time. The more passionate one is in his/her crunching, the more a stats glitch "hurts".

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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

@ andzgrid. the thing about distributed computing is that a miss hass value as well as hits.

remember it took Edison along time to creat a light bulb and he found lots of ways not to make one.

Remember Thomas Edison? If it weren't for him we'd probably all be watching TV by candlelight. But, did you know that it took him 10,000 attempts to create the electric light bulb?

During his efforts to invent the light bulb, a reporter came to him and asked, "How many times are you going to fail at creating the light bulb?" Mr. Edison turned and looked at the reporter and said, "Son, I haven't failed! I've simply discovered another way not to invent the light bulb!"


so yes while a hit and a good hit is what we ultimatly want even a miss has its uses and if we are lucky they can find further ways to make the project run faster like they did on the cancer project... again because of the misses as well as the hits it became posible to make a more accurate modle

happy crunching

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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Probably the 3rd party BOINC stats keepers will also have had the normal export values...
Yep, BOINCstats daily numbers are OK for yesterday and today (they run their daily about 17:00 UTC usually). So nothing has been lost and when the failing steps will have been rerun all WCG stats numbers should be fine.

Edit: I just checked something else in My Grid and, guess what, March 27 stats are OK now.
As far as I can see, the only remaining rework to do is for team stats. Keep watching. smile

Yes, the midday stats time shifted to 18:53 UTC which narrows the earlier day extrapolation from a range of 310-315 years for Sunday to ~312-314, based on the global update that went with that [silently, techs in stealth mode maybe ;-]
Statistics Last Updated: 28-3-10 18:53:31 (UTC) [1 hour(s) ago]
Page of 144 | Records 1 to 14 - 2010 total | records per page
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Statistics Date Total Run Time
(y:d:h:m:s) Points Generated Results Returned
28-3-10 246:139:03:40:24 221,000,215 397,650

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Re: 27 MAR 2010 EOD stats wrong?

Hello nasher.

One thing is, the science-side is not recognized, whether it be a hit or a miss. The computing-side is recognized just because the machine was used whether there was a hit or a miss.

Using your Edison analogy. Did the cruncher fail? No. Did the cruncher get a credit for the effort? Yes, but only because everyone is looking on the computing-side of the crunch. What about the science side? Forget it, it won't happen, sorry Edison.

Should we then reward a miss if only because with it we know what NOT to do? I don't think so in the same way that the MVP should not be given to a basketball player who knows how to NOT play basketball.

Back to the topic under the root post: a stats glitch affects everyone, regardless of what school of thought (computing-side or science-side) you associate with. All things being equal, A stats glitch would probably hurt the computing-side camp more; the science-side camp being less dependent on the more, shall we say, "materialistic" side of things.

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