You should see the drought we are suffering through tonight !

http://www.buienradar.be/h.aspx?jaar=-3&soort=meteox3uur

Did you know no rain ever falls on this parched brown and unpleasant land


Dear Caroline

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A DISCOURSE ON GLOBAL WARMING, I MEAN CLIMATE CHANGE, OOPS I MEAN CLIMATE DISRUPTION Article written by Joe Bastardi:

A Discourse on Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, oops I mean Climate Disruption.

If it changes to something else before you read this, just type it in.

Joe Bastardi co chief meteorologist, Weatherbell Analytics.

As many of you know, I am 1st Hand Weather Blogger Garrett Bastardi’s Father and like my father before me will do anything to fuel his childrens passion for what they are made to do. He appears to have the same kind of drive I had for this, and of course with my dad as a meteorologist, there is a genetic predisposition toward it. http://firsthandweather.com/blog/all-posts/global-warming-joe-bastardi

That's a terrifying graph - looks like we're all in for a deep freeze. Hopefully something will happen to the climate (maybe around March/April) that will save us from another snowball earth.

Soong, just don't have the wool pulled over your eyes. That chart is as wrong as wrong can be... it's has zippo zero to do with "global" temperature, just the flat temp average of the stations included [it was pointed out a year ago when that came out]. Global temp is nearing 15C average with a cyclic due the distance change to the sun [we're in Jan nearest], and axis position giving us the seasons. For proper analysis with spacial adjustment visit for instance Tamino's http://tamino.wordpress.com/ who debunks allot of the denialist stuff [too much to tackle it all] or skeptical science: http://www.skepticalscience.com/

The sun's output is a virtual flatliner from decade to decade [enough charts of mine in this thread]. You have to amplify signal by about 250 to see anything... sunspot numbers does barely anything... a 0.1% flux up or down at most. The changes are on the planet. Hundreds of millions of years ago the sun was 30% less luminous, not 1360 Watts per square meter, but 950. Back then earth was warm too and warmer... CO2 levels were 10 fold and higher, then it dropped gradually to what it was through the various last million years iceages and interglacials. Solar luminosity increase through the ages offset by CO2/CH4 decrease and rich plant growth on the continents, whilst the ozone layer developed to allow life on land [due high amounts of UV]. Since the mid 18th century it's gone from about 280 parts per million in the atmosphere to 390 now, an a continuous rise, with sole attribution to fossil fuel burning [the planet is currently still able to absorb 50% of what we inject]. Scientists have been warning since the mid 19th century what the implications are... which is thought to be in the 3C increase range per doubling. This has enormous implications for our food production and where we can grow what... 7 billion we are, and rising unrestrained.

Want a place not to be "informed"... this is the thread.

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P.S. Where 90% of excess heat disappears to... the oceans and there's lots of it on the southern hemisphere getting irradiated when we're closest to the sun.

P.P.S., The past tells us what's coming: http://www.skepticalscience.com/end-of-the-hothouse.html