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keithhenry
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More badges for the heavy hitters?

I know plenty of folks probably think we have more than enough badges and, for your typical, ordinary users, I'd agree. Besides, how many projects last long enough for the majority of users to make it to sapphire? Still, there are enough folks with a good number of machines/their own "server farm"/etc. that making sapphire on a project is pretty easy for them. I have a teammate with 17 years of runtime for HPF2. The problem with more badges is coming us with decently displaying colors that are distinctive from the others as well. I'd expect minimizing the amount of work involved (for the admins) would be a plus too. So, here's the idea: add "diamond" clusters to the sapphire badges for higher levels. A "diamond" would simply be a white diamond shape in one or more of the four corners of the existing sapphire badge. They could start in the top left and go clockwise. One diamond in the top left corner would signify five years of runtime; two diamonds (one in the top left and one in the top right) would signify ten years; three diamonds (one in the top left, one in the top right, one in the bottom right) would signify fifteen years; and four (one in each corner) would signify twenty years. To the extent the badges promote friendly competition and/or encourge more crunching, doing that with our heaviest crunchers would definitely add to our total production.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

I don't know what the affect on morale would be people who would never have any chance of earning these badges, so that should be considered in the discussion.

The one problem I can see immediately is the fact that you have a lot of people with a large number of machines who aren't actually running those rigs themselves. For example there are people who get permission to load BOINC on all the machines in a lab or computer class as well as people who are running it on work computers. Sometimes these are subsumed under the name of the entity which owns the computer so those are easy enough to screen out but that isn't always the case.

Also, there would be a certain added burden on the staff to screen out corporate and government entities that appear as a single user. At the very least there would have to be some automated way of narrowing the list down so that you wouldn't need someone working on this full time.
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keithhenry
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

Interesting points. I know I'd never likely make it to a five year badge but that's fine for me. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to find I'm real different from most folks. laughing Being as diverse a group of crunchers as everyone is, I suppose there could be some folks that might be discouraged by the high end badges but wouldn't that be true now to some extent for the emerald and sapphire badges?

As for folks running BOINC on machines that aren't "theirs", that's not limited to folks with a lot of machines under their username. I've known folks who help a friend set up a machine and also set up BOINC running under their username at the same time. If both parties involved are okay with that, that should not be a problem. If someone gets the okay to run BOINC on all the machines in a lab or office or such, what difference does it make if they run them all under their own username? They made the effort. Let them get the credit. After all, the idea is to get idle machines crunching WCG. As WCG doesn't differentiate for this situation now with the existing badges, how would this be any different? Who knows, it might encourage folks to do more of this and, as long as both parties are okay with it, that's that many more machines crunching for us.

The main point is to give better recognition to those folks who've invested their time, effort and, in many cases, money in more machines (and the larger electric bills). It might just be the extra encouragement they need to keep it up or keep making the effort to do more.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

i do not think you should punish organizations that choose to run as one user.

myself i have 4 computer of my own and i do not mind when i see a person or group of people crunching on someone elses computer.

the lab or company pays for the power and the computers i do not see why they should be discounted.

besides if i had enough money for a 100+ computer farm i would probably do it under a corporation or something of the like so i could buy the computer creeper in bulk.

personaly i would love a years badge for total years crunched
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

I don't know what the affect on morale would be people who would never have any chance of earning these badges, so that should be considered in the discussion.
I reject your apparent suggestion that a person with 40 computers cannot have a 5 year badge because someone only has 1 computer. Maybe you thin that no one should be allowed to have more than one computer on the grid. The purpose of WCG is to crunch as many WU as possible as quickly as possible.
The one problem I can see immediately is the fact that you have a lot of people with a large number of machines who aren't actually running those rigs themselves.
Do you think the scientists want their projects delayed because someone didn't buy all the computers themselves. WCG is about using unused computers, not about buying more computers.
Also, there would be a certain added burden on the staff to screen out corporate and government entities that appear as a single user. At the very least there would have to be some automated way of narrowing the list down so that you wouldn't need someone working on this full time.
The current badge system has NO labor costs as the system is driven by some excellent software.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

The main point is to give better recognition to those folks who've invested their time, effort and, in many cases, money in more machines (and the larger electric bills). It might just be the extra encouragement they need to keep it up or keep making the effort to do more.
Exactly. It is about recognizing what EACH cruncher can do for WCG, no matter their computing power, whether big or small.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

As far as recognizing levels of contribution higher than two years goes, I've seen some good ideas in this thread. The Diamonds in the corners is good, but how about just a simple number in a corner for the number of years? i.e. Once you get to saphire, just put a white #3 in the corner once 3 years is reached, then 4, etc. Just another idea on how to do it. My main concern is that we don't add work to the WCG Techs making something like this happen. There are crunchers on the team that I am on that have more than 10 years on several projects. I think it would be nice to recognize their high level of contribution. They are doing all that out of their own pockets too. applause

Also, I think that it doesn't matter who owns / finances the computers. I know that with only 3 computers I can't return as much work as a business running 100 computers. I can't return as much work as a lot of individuals either! We don't all have the same resources for and/or dedication to WCG. However, the badges should reflect the amount of work done and that's all.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

Also, I think that it doesn't matter who owns / finances the computers. I know that with only 3 computers I can't return as much work as a business running 100 computers. I can't return as much work as a lot of individuals either! We don't all have the same resources for and/or dedication to WCG. However, the badges should reflect the amount of work done and that's all.


That's true. There is a huge cap between those who run wcg only with one computer and those who have 100 computers. I don't mind if they could chase some super badges that appear in order like 14, 45, 90, 180, 360 years.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

I know that with only 3 computers I can't return as much work as a business running 100 computers.
and you thankfully have badges to recognize the contribution you are making, PLUS you have badges just slightly above your current contribution levels that you get to work towards.
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Re: More badges for the heavy hitters?

I also put in another word for higher badges than sapphire/blue/2 years since some have nearly all sapphire badges already. I hope that y'all don't get bored and go away.

It would give us a choice of how to assign resources rather than waiting to be surprised.
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