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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

I checked in on this workunit yesterday but failed to post here. Unfortunately, the workunit had already been deleted from the database so I cannot look at what happened with the workunit.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

I just had one other with very little credits granted compared to claimed.
Not as much as last time, but nevertheless:
HFCC_ s1_ 00868208_ s1_ 0000_ 0--  	610  	  Valid   	01.12.09 17:08:12  	 02.12.09 19:22:22   	2.88  	69.9 / 21.2

I dunno whether it helps, but here's the link:
https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/devi...Log.do?resultId=277548132

And the stderr_txt:
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autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[15:59:59] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 27000
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 6750
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 0)
Updating Best Energy for WU: 0.00
Finished Docking number 0
Updating Best Energy for WU: -6.23
Finished Docking number 1
Updating Best Energy for WU: -7.39
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Updating Best Energy for WU: -7.84
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Updating Best Energy for WU: -7.86
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Updating Best Energy for WU: -8.10
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autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

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INFO:[19:21:01] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[19:21:21] End AutoGrid...
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called boinc_finish

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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

The way that the credit is determined is that for HFCC (and actually for FAAH as well) is that a 'mini' benchmark is run at the start of the workunit. If the performance during that run is unusually fast compared to rest of the workunit, your credit will be lowered. We will take a look and see if some 'sanity' checks need to be put into place to prevent excessive differences from being reported (as you have seen twice now). Overall, the mechanism works quite well. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't some occasional issues.

thanks for posting
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Hi, I had one the other day as well, a lot of time for little credit.

Project Name: Help Fight Childhood Cancer
Created: 11/29/09
Name: HFCC_s1_00861513_s1_0000
Minimum Quorum: 1
Replication: 1

4.09 hrs__93.6 / 14.2
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

The way that the credit is determined is that for HFCC (and actually for FAAH as well) is that a 'mini' benchmark is run at the start of the workunit. If the performance during that run is unusually fast compared to rest of the workunit, your credit will be lowered. We will take a look and see if some 'sanity' checks need to be put into place to prevent excessive differences from being reported (as you have seen twice now). Overall, the mechanism works quite well. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't some occasional issues.

thanks for posting

Let me get this straight v.v the issues I've continuously had and incrementing the more of these ZR jobs run simultaneous, particularly on FLU and concurrent start, uploading, finishing.

- If the mini benchmarks races along, the points are poor
- If the mini benchmarks crawls, the points would be rich

Latter, well cant say I've seen the rich part at any time, so it must be that my client is continuously racing along and creating false expectations... There I was hoping these mini's run at the same priority as the client's benchmark itself i.e. at low priority to best measure prospective tasks processing performance.

Yes, plz put in some sanity checks.

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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

It's not that often, it has only been four times with my last 390 WUs.
The only times it happened the other way around (but not that much) was for CMD and Rice.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

We will not take any action on this at this time. We are instead working with BOINC to first update our server to the last code, and then look at using the new credit policies that are being developed. This should improve the situation across all applications(projects) at WCG. This will be done during Jan/Feb.
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

We will not take any action on this at this time. We are instead working with BOINC to first update our server to the last code, and then look at using the new credit policies that are being developed. This should improve the situation across all applications(projects) at WCG. This will be done during Jan/Feb.

Good idea!
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

Will that require client changes or are data code bases independent?
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Re: Strange Credits for valid WU

No, as the mix of client versions is just too great, so it's exclusively server/project side implementation, where the accounting is done and running device histories are kept.
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