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Health Care reform.. government mandate..

Dr. Mike..


Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA!


I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything.

It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all.

It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right.

Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying).

This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). angry

OK .. end of rant
Edit>spelling


For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good!


My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care.

This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others.

We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight.

The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings.

Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality.

Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare.

I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said:
"Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it
a) annoys the pig
b) accomplishes nothing and
c) wastes your time."


and I would add, raises your blood pressure.


I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it.

PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith...


It's also important to note that America's top medical professionals at both Harvard and Yale medical schools widely endorse Obama's plan. Most of the Docs I know out here say that when they meet a patient, they don't want to ever even THINK about how much anything costs. They just want to treat the patient and make them well. That's the kind of doctor I want to have. That's the kind of medical system I want to have.

I'm feel very confident that this will not pass. Those protests are not staged, they are the reflection of very frustrated Americans. I am personally sick and tired of this administration passing bills that most of America does not want. And for Obama to stand in front of the American people and say that he just signed a stimulus plan that has no pork on it was an outright lie. There were 9,000 pieces of pork attached to it. That tells me that a) he can read what he is signing, b) he doesn't read what he is signing, c) he thinks that we are just a bunch of idiots, or d) he is lying!

GM should have been allowed to fail. The tax payers gave them $80 billion and they filed bankruptcy anyway. Now we own 60% of GM. How is this good? Health care didn't cause GM to fail, either, it was the outrageous union contracts that did it.

Obama has admitted on at least three different public occasions that he favors single payer healthcare (socialized medicine). It's not working in Canada with a population of 30 million people, what makes Obama think it can work in America with 300 million people? The only reason that Canada's system has lasted so long is America is right next door with the best medical care in the world. They would rather pay out of their pocket for the health care they need rather than depend on their country's health care system.

Canada pays a great deal of money for their lousy health care system, too. A family that I know there has a household income less than what I make alone, and the percentage of their taxes that they pay for their healthcare is greater that what I and my employer pay for my healthcare. They pay more for a lot less.

That 47 million people without healthcare in our country is a lie as well. 30 million of that figure are people that a) don't want healthcare as they feel young and invincible, b) illegal aliens that shouldn't get it anyway, and c) people switching jobs and didn't have insurance at the time.
That leaves 17 million people that do need insurance. Those are the people that make too much money for Medicare, but either insurance is too expensive from their employer or their employer doesn't offer it at all.

I have to ask, what is the disaster that Obama wants to destroy our healthcare and medical system for 17 million people out of over 300 million? It would be a great deal less expensive to extend Medicare to those 17 million.

The bottom line is that this is about bigger government, and government control and people are seeing that this administration has gone too far already and it has to stop before our healthcare system is destroyed. Cap-and-Trade all by itself will ruin this country (I don't think that will never pass, either).

I am personally involved in making sure that this will ever pass and it's working.

And I've already turned myself into the snitch web site (flag.whitehouse.gov).


Chris, you realize this is the plan. Offer Medicare to anyone who doesn't have health insurance. That's the point. Just insure those 17.1 million under medicare and problem solved. That's "Obamacare," MEDICARE FOR ALL!
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Only one ?!


Health Care reform.. government mandate..

Dr. Mike..


Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA!


I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything.

It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all.

It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right.

Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying).

This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). angry

OK .. end of rant
Edit>spelling


For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good!


My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care.

This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others.

We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight.

The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings.

Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality.

Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare.

I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said:
"Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it
a) annoys the pig
b) accomplishes nothing and
c) wastes your time."


and I would add, raises your blood pressure.


I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it.

PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith...


Let me be clear. Medicare pays for part of my wife's eye treatments. If Obamacare passes, they will no longer do so until she loses all sight in one eye. They will however, require both of us to go through counseling periodically on how we should end our lives and pay medical bills for aliens who have never contributed a penny. Now that is total Bull. While We were living in England, my family and I could walk by a waiting room full of people waiting to see a Dr, and see him because we were "Private Patients". So my daughers sprained knee got looked at before a non-private patient with a concussion could get in; they sit there for hours and we breeze right through - Not Fair - Not Right.

Now as to Harvard, I have spent some time there myself. The last time a Harvard professor told me something it was in discussing the way we were running our oil company. He told me that we were "..behind the curve and that only one company had achieved escape velocity from Oil Company thinking" and we should emulate them. That company was ENRON.

The previous Harvard intellectual pearl was equally profound and was telling us that we needed to put a system Harvard defined to front end our entire legacy portfolio for the end users. I watched several companies that tried to take that advice to varying degrees and all of them failed miserably at the attempt.

So pardon me if I take any sometimes astoundingly pretentious Harvard opinions with the same grain of salt that I do with other academicians’.

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Only one ?!


Health Care reform.. government mandate..

Dr. Mike..


Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA!


I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything.

It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all.

It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right.

Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying).

This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). angry

OK .. end of rant
Edit>spelling


For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good!


My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care.

This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others.

We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight.

The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings.

Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality.

Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare.

I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said:
"Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it
a) annoys the pig
b) accomplishes nothing and
c) wastes your time."


and I would add, raises your blood pressure.


I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it.

PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith...


Let me be clear. Medicare pays for part of my wife's eye treatments. If Obamacare passes, they will no longer do so until she loses all sight in one eye. They will however, require both of us to go through counseling periodically on how we should end our lives and pay medical bills for aliens who have never contributed a penny. Now that is total Bull. While We were living in England, my family and I could walk by a waiting room full of people waiting to see a Dr, and see him because we were "Private Patients". So my daughers sprained knee got looked at before a non-private patient with a concussion could get in; they sit there for hours and we breeze right through - Not Fair - Not Right.

Now as to Harvard, I have spent some time there myself. The last time a Harvard professor told me something it was in discussing the way we were running our oil company. He told me that we were "..behind the curve and that only one company had achieved escape velocity from Oil Company thinking" and we should emulate them. That company was ENRON.

The previous Harvard intellectual pearl was equally profound and was telling us that we needed to put a system Harvard defined to front end our entire legacy portfolio for the end users. I watched several companies that tried to take that advice to varying degrees and all of them failed miserably at the attempt.

So pardon me if I take any sometimes astoundingly pretentious Harvard opinions with the same grain of salt that I do with other academicians’.

Edit> All this over DMs one cup of coffee??


My final comment on this discussion will be this. It is absurd to claim to know the effects of "Obama's Bill" when the bill has not been finalized. The only way to know if X will be covered by his bill is to be omniscient, and your God apparently has sole claim to that. RT, Chris, et. al., you have to realize that Obama's plan is to let you keep what you have. You don't have to change a thing. All the public option does is pressure private companies to not break the law by kicking patients off their rosters and by guaranteeing coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions. I should think also that we would all want to have health care if we lost our jobs, so it seems somewhat silly to me to have health care tied to one's occupation. After all, the time you need your health care insurance THE MOST is when you're unemployed.

For the sake of civility, I suggest we change the subject to something more amenable, like how silly our pot laws are.
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Only one ?!


Health Care reform.. government mandate..

Dr. Mike..


Aren't you happy at the prospect of every American citizens having access to health care and being free from worry of being kicked off their plan due to pre-existing conditions? I sure am! GO BAMA!


I appologize for this off-topic rant in advance but I worry about the overly simplistic notion of free care. Nothing is free; someone has to pay for everything.

It could be just me, but the way I understand the plan, it will take away a good part of the Medicare that my wife and I use (especially my wife) and that we have paid for dearly for over 50 years; served and fought for our country. This to give it to someone who somehow just found their way across the border into the U.S. and has not contributed to the plan at all.

It all sounds good if you just look at one side of the issue. Of course it would be great if no-one had to worry about medical care, but to take it away from those that earned it, to give it to those that haven't does not seem right.

Believe me, I have sympathy for those less fortunate than those here on this forum and I contribute to them when and where I can. I just don't think it is the right or responsibility of the Government to decide who to take from and who to give to. (AKA Vote buying).

This is not a theoretical issue for me. I am vehemently against Obamacare as my wife's sight may depend on it not passing (they may take away from her what we have paid for in the past 50 years). angry

OK .. end of rant
Edit>spelling


For me, it is the realization that whether or not one has access to decent healthcare should NOT be a matter of pure chance as to whether or not you were born into a family rich enough to pay for it. It is the simple moral necessity of providing this access to all people, regardless of employment status. The question, "are you employed?" to me, has nothing to do with the question "are you in urgent need of medical attention?" For us, the HUMAN need for health care takes precedence over the cost of providing it. Remember, this new generation of Americans doesn't believe in giving until it hurts; we give until it feels good!


My wife is HUMAN (and incidentally the most important HUMAN to me) and she needs health care.

This legislation, if passed, will take away her treatment in favor of giving it to others.

We were both born poor and worked our way out of poverty to where we are today, paying FICA and Income Tax and excise, bridge, sales, etc. etc. taxes. So if you want to give "free healthcare" to everyone, do so, but not by taking her eyesight.

The thought of it makes me very very angry and I expect that it does the same from the remainder of folks that the government is taking health care services from (even though they have paid for it for years) to give it to someone else. So I am not surprised that folks are getting testy about this poorly considered legislation in these “town hall” meetings.

Oh, and this newer generation will eventually understand what makes the older generations think the way they do. It is called experience with government. It is a process that eventually wears the shininess off of idealism and leaves one with realism. You must remember, we were just as idealistic before we had to deal with reality.

Again I appologize to the team for this outburst but I feel very strongly that my wife, nor I for that matter, should be denied health care we paid for in favor of giving it to others; and that is indeed the effect of Obamacare.

I will refrain from posting further on the matter, as like my dad said:
"Son, never try to teach a pig to sing, it
a) annoys the pig
b) accomplishes nothing and
c) wastes your time."


and I would add, raises your blood pressure.


I'm sorry, RT, but there's no way to know that Obama's plan would take your wife's health care plan away. First off, if she likes her current plan, she can keep it. So you're not affected. Second, we cannot know whether Obama's plan would cut off her surgery since we have no idea what the final bill will look like. It might be extremely expansive like we Democrats want and will provide a healthcare system on par with Scandinavian countries and France (as a few examples). Third, the Obama plan has one guarantee - no dismissals due to preexisting conditions. This means that regardless of your current state of physical health, the government option will be UNABLE TO DENY COVERAGE. They will be forced to cover the individual and yes, we will all subsidize the cost. But as Dr. Mike and I are arguing, we would rather pay a little more to make sure that everyone who needs healthcare has access to it.

PS: This is perhaps the most civil discussion of Obama's health care policy currently ongoing. Maybe they should publish it on MSNBC. Let me call Rachel and Keith...


Let me be clear. Medicare pays for part of my wife's eye treatments. If Obamacare passes, they will no longer do so until she loses all sight in one eye. They will however, require both of us to go through counseling periodically on how we should end our lives and pay medical bills for aliens who have never contributed a penny. Now that is total Bull. While We were living in England, my family and I could walk by a waiting room full of people waiting to see a Dr, and see him because we were "Private Patients". So my daughers sprained knee got looked at before a non-private patient with a concussion could get in; they sit there for hours and we breeze right through - Not Fair - Not Right.

Now as to Harvard, I have spent some time there myself. The last time a Harvard professor told me something it was in discussing the way we were running our oil company. He told me that we were "..behind the curve and that only one company had achieved escape velocity from Oil Company thinking" and we should emulate them. That company was ENRON.

The previous Harvard intellectual pearl was equally profound and was telling us that we needed to put a system Harvard defined to front end our entire legacy portfolio for the end users. I watched several companies that tried to take that advice to varying degrees and all of them failed miserably at the attempt.

So pardon me if I take any sometimes astoundingly pretentious Harvard opinions with the same grain of salt that I do with other academicians’.

Edit> All this over DMs one cup of coffee??


My final comment on this discussion will be this. It is absurd to claim to know the effects of "Obama's Bill" when the bill has not been finalized. The only way to know if X will be covered by his bill is to be omniscient, and your God apparently has sole claim to that. RT, Chris, et. al., you have to realize that Obama's plan is to let you keep what you have. You don't have to change a thing. All the public option does is pressure private companies to not break the law by kicking patients off their rosters and by guaranteeing coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions. I should think also that we would all want to have health care if we lost our jobs, so it seems somewhat silly to me to have health care tied to one's occupation. After all, the time you need your health care insurance THE MOST is when you're unemployed.

For the sake of civility, I suggest we change the subject to something more amenable, like how silly our pot laws are.


As for the pretentiousness thing, what this election cycle signified most, in my opinion, is an outright rejection of the backwards, anti-intellectualism of the Bush administration. The American people have spoken and they have elected an intellectual to be their President. I would rather cast my fate with Obama, Clinton, Franken, et. al. than with bumpkin creationists like Mike Huckabee. The American people have chosen a better tradition.
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I'm wondering who is going to be able to run against Obama in '12.. doesn't seem to be any Republicans stepping up their game..

I wish I was President.. but I sure wouldn't last long.. lol

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Wow! I'm taking back my cup of coffee!! Perhaps a team name change is in order. Instead of MOT how about MRT? MyRightwingTeam? Such drivel and fear mongering. If I wanted this, I would watch a 24-hour psedo-news channel. angry

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Wow! I'm taking back my cup of coffee!! Perhaps a team name change is in order. Instead of MOT how about MRT? MyRightwingTeam? Such drivel and fear mongering. If I wanted this, I would watch a 24-hour psedo-news channel. angry

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Wow! I'm taking back my cup of coffee!! Perhaps a team name change is in order. Instead of MOT how about MRT? MyRightwingTeam? Such drivel and fear mongering. If I wanted this, I would watch a 24-hour psedo-news channel. angry

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BTW: B@A took over 9th position world wide and I made it into the top 500 biggrin laughing biggrin


I knew I wasn't the only leftie!

No, I detest both wings equally. wink But fear mongering, disinformation and personal attacks are a sure sign of a weak argument. If this discussion is necessary, put it in the main room and give the word police something to do. peace
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My final comment on this discussion will be this. It is absurd to claim to know the effects of "Obama's Bill" when the bill has not been finalized. The only way to know if X will be covered by his bill is to be omniscient, and your God apparently has sole claim to that. RT, Chris, et. al., you have to realize that Obama's plan is to let you keep what you have. You don't have to change a thing. All the public option does is pressure private companies to not break the law by kicking patients off their rosters and by guaranteeing coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions. I should think also that we would all want to have health care if we lost our jobs, so it seems somewhat silly to me to have health care tied to one's occupation. After all, the time you need your health care insurance THE MOST is when you're unemployed.

For the sake of civility, I suggest we change the subject to something more amenable, like how silly our pot laws are.


You say that we cannot know if X will be covered unless we are omniscient. Of course if you wait till it is final, it is too late for those of us that it disenfranchises; the way it reads now, what I said is true. So it would seem to me that this is the time to be concerned about it.

You also say Obama is an intellectual? Obama is as intellectual as my dad’s off ox. Clinton? You ARE kidding right?? Yes, I was really disappointed in G.W. Bush. I think he let us all down, but no more than Bill Clinton…perhaps even less. He had such a great opportunity but alas blew it early and "stayed the course".

And as to the pretentions, I have seen it and what it can do to the unwary; I gave you a couple of Harvard examples above. A good dose of reality is always in order when you talk to those that pretend to know what is best for everyone.

Apart from that, I suspect we would agree on how silly the pot laws are; and that is "Extremely" or even perhaps "Disgraceful". My view is that it is no worse than alcohol and yet we have filled the prisons with pot offenders.

Good to hear from you DM, your insightful commentary is always instructive.
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