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I plan on putting together about 10 or 12 "white-box" specials designed to run specifically this application.
They will all be the same construct in terms of hardware. Same RAM, same basic video card, same 80 GB boot drive, same Windows OS. Only difference will be the CPU. Either Athlon 64 or P4. Where I live, I can purchase an Athlon 64 3200+ CPU and Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz CPU for the same price: $220.00 retail box each CPU Which would be a better processor to get to maximize performance? The AMD Athlon 64 3200+ or Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz ? Which is more important, FPU or Integer computational power, for the UD agent that WCG uses? |
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I'd say go with the athlon. I'm always for the underdog, plus it's 64 bit base gives it a little edge on Intels 32.
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Well i don't know for sure. If there comes HT support Intel usually wins in other DC projects but it uses a lot more power. Keep that in mind.
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I know that the Athlon XPs scored better than the Intel pent 4s back when I ran folding at home. I suspect similar results for the Athlon 64s will be had. (Of course, as an amd fan, I am biased) :-)
In regards to the 64bit versus 32 bit hypothesis posted above, you'd have to be running windows xp64 with a 64 bit client for the 64 bits to make a difference, so, it's not going to have any effect, since no 64 bit client is available. In regards to hyperthreading making a big difference for the Intel units, the client currently only recognizes one processing unit, so it will make a big difference when it comes to running other programs concurrently with the client. |
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Well, I plan on dedicating this cluster specifically to the Human Proteome Project. No other apps will be running. So HT with the Intel P4 is a non-issue. In fact, I will be disabling HT in the BIOS if I go with the Intel.
I do know that on the SPEC web site, in the CPU2000 benchmarks, the Athlon 64 killed the Intel P4 with regards to the SPECfp 2000 score. So, if the UD agent uses primarily the FPU, then the Athlon is definitely the way to go. With regards to integer calcs and the SPECint 2000 score, the two CPUs were much closer in performance. |
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Well i have nothing to compare but what i know is that turning of the hypertrading won't give your client a boost!
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The amount and kind of processing power on your builds will totally depend on the software you will be running on it.
When it comes to number crunching, nothing beats a multi-processor platform. Unfortunately, this software doesn't utilize more than one physical processor. So therefore, a single physical CPU platform is the only choice for now. The Intel 3.4EE (Extreme Edition) was the best MultiMedia/Number Crunching Consumer CPU out there (It was actually a modified 800FSB Xeon Core) until AMD pumped out their FX-53 series, now surpassed by the FX-55 series (Based on the 800 series 64Bit Opteron Core). I would have to say that in your case of deciding on a P4 3.2 (C or E) or the Athlon 64 3200. Well the A3200 is the underdog here. The P4 3.2 will blow it out of the water for mathematical crunching. Also, there are several kinds of P4's. Socket 478, Pin775, Northwood, Prescott, etc. The Prescott's offer 1MB of L2 cache. Most math calculations take place within the CPU's L1 and L2 cache. A 3.2E (Prescott) has it's L2 cache hammering out +27,000MBytes/sec. Whereas, the A64-3200 (Socket 754) has its 640K L2 cache at only +9,000MBytes/sec. As same for the A64-3200; there's the Socket 754 and then the 939. Intel is holding off on any new CPU's, as they've reached their GHz limit at 3.8. In 3 months, they will be coming out with multi-core CPU's. A CPU chip with 2 cores, instead of 1. AMD are already ahead again, since the FX series has provisions built into their chip layout for dual core architecture. Anyhow, I'd go with this: INTEL P4 3.2E ASUS P4C800-E Mobo 2 x 512MB DDR-400 REG-ECC (Samsung K4H560838E-TCCC) 74GB WD Raptor-II SATA (10,000rpm, 8MB cache, 6.5ms) Radeon 9200SE (Not for Gaming) Pioneer A08 DVD-RW Enermax 460Watt or PC-Power 350Watt (Good for 24/7) Mid-Tower Aluminum Case with atleast 2 case fans. To make this into a gaming system; Replace the Radeon 9200SE with an x800Pro, or 9800Pro. Add an Audigy-2 ZS Add a 160 WD SATA for game storage Replace the mobo with a P4P800-SE You can use less expensive non-ECC memory like Hynix chips. If you have any questions, I'm happy to help. kcptech@gmail.com |
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I need actual real world benchmarks of the UD agent or its core comparing the two processors to know which one runs faster.
If the UD agent does mainly integer math, then the Intel P4 would be the choice. If the UD agent does mainly floating point math, then the Athlon 64 would be faster. That system you spec'd is too much. I figure the below spec is sufficient. REmember, I'm putting together about 10 or 12 systems for about $600 each: Intel P4 3.2GHz or Athlon 64 3200+ --- $220.00 retail CPU with fan Intel or nForce M/B with integrated video/audio/LAN --- $160.00 Cheapie Samsung 12x DVD-ROM --- $20.00 512 MB DDR400 SDRAM --- $80.00 80GB IBM/Hitachi Ultra-100 IDE Drive --- $60.00 Med-Tower Case with P4/AMD 400-watt P/S and two case fans -- $60.00 I already have extra mice and k/b from old systems. They all will be sharing a monitor I already have set up. I also already have a dozen copies of Windows 2000 that I purchased from a clearinghouse for $100 total. So, the OS is set. That's it I'm done. Won't be using these things for anything else but WCG Distributed Computing. Thus, no super duper vid card needed. No huge HD because it will be only Windows and this app loaded. Hard Drive doesn't even need to be fast. I'm leaving these things on 24/7 running only the WCG app so minimal HD access. Basic 10/100 LAN is all that's needed as well. No fast DVD needed either. Only time DVD-ROM will be used is to install the OS. |
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I need actual real world benchmarks of the UD agent or its core comparing the two processors to know which one runs faster. If the UD agent does mainly integer math, then the Intel P4 would be the choice. If the UD agent does mainly floating point math, then the Athlon 64 would be faster. That system you spec'd is too much. I figure the below spec is sufficient. REmember, I'm putting together about 10 or 12 systems for about $600 each: Intel P4 3.2GHz or Athlon 64 3200+ --- $220.00 retail CPU with fan Intel or nForce M/B with integrated video/audio/LAN --- $160.00 Cheapie Samsung 12x DVD-ROM --- $20.00 512 MB DDR400 SDRAM --- $80.00 80GB IBM/Hitachi Ultra-100 IDE Drive --- $60.00 Med-Tower Case with P4/AMD 400-watt P/S and two case fans -- $60.00 I already have extra mice and k/b from old systems. They all will be sharing a monitor I already have set up. I also already have a dozen copies of Windows 2000 that I purchased from a clearinghouse for $100 total. So, the OS is set. That's it I'm done. Won't be using these things for anything else but WCG Distributed Computing. Thus, no super duper vid card needed. No huge HD because it will be only Windows and this app loaded. Hard Drive doesn't even need to be fast. I'm leaving these things on 24/7 running only the WCG app so minimal HD access. Basic 10/100 LAN is all that's needed as well. No fast DVD needed either. Only time DVD-ROM will be used is to install the OS. If you're running these some place where you'll be paying the electric bill, you might want to go with the AMD Winchester core 939 3200. It'll save you a few pennies on your electric bill. Heck, you could even OC it on the Nforce motherboards. Of course, the downside of buying the 939 is that there are no mbs I can find with integrated video, so, you'd have a small additional cost for a cheapie video card. Perhaps you could go refurb? Either way, you can get a video card for $34 if you look hard enough. :-) As far as comparing the P4 to the AMD 64, I read another message on this board stating that the 3500 had ranked at 228, whereas the Intel P4 3400 had ranked at 220, so it looks like they might be about even, although, that depends, of course, upon how much else the user was doing at the time it was running. Justin |
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I'm running a Athlon64 3200+ Newcastle core (512k cache, 2.2 GHz) and it scores a 205. Not overclocked.
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