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Netbooks

Ive just bought a new dell mini 10 and its a wonderful machine. It does all the net related functions and plays games such as age of mythology fine and well. Now as I am a dedicated WCG user I hooked it up to the grid and let it start crunching. I then found that its processor wasnt very powerful. infact the benchmark in boinc only scored 600 mips. Due to this workunits from projects other than HCMD2 take a very long time. Will there be a feature for shorter workunits for our slower computers in the future?

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Re: Netbooks

Hello Nick-MMX,
Already covered. NRW is a special case that runs for 7 hours. During that 7 hours it will run simulations for seconds or minutes, depending on the speed of the CPU. Eventually all the desired ?tens? of thousands of simulations will be run for a protein.. Unless the validator function finds a simulation result far off the curve, no makeup units will be sent. The scheduler (uhh, really a different process, but I forget) will send out a new unit to continue from the end. This is not necessarily the most efficient use of our server, but we control the work units sent, so we can keep the inefficiencies from overwhelming us.

So this is one method that can be used to allow us to graciously use the widow's mite without sneering at slow CPUs. We are constantly developing different ways of running projects to meet different needs.

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Re: Netbooks

Ive just bought a new dell mini 10 and its a wonderful machine. It does all the net related functions and plays games such as age of mythology fine and well. Now as I am a dedicated WCG user I hooked it up to the grid and let it start crunching. I then found that its processor wasnt very powerful. infact the benchmark in boinc only scored 600 mips. Due to this workunits from projects other than HCMD2 take a very long time. Will there be a feature for shorter workunits for our slower computers in the future?

cheers, nick


I too have a netbook and they are really not good crunchers are they? I ran Malaria and ABC on mine and gave up. Both took FOREVER to finish a unit. Now if some project came out with some really short units the problem might be all the really powerful pc's might breeze thru in half an hour while the netbooks take a couple of hours, this might not be in the best interest of all concerned. Mine is now offline most of the time, except when I am traveling, and is no longer crunching. I do like it when traveling, it is small, lightweight and the keyboard is not nearly as bad as the reviewers said it would be. I did get an external mouse but the pad is okay too. I even thought of a roll-up keyboard but don't find the built-in one bad at all. I have an Asus eee 1000HA and the battery life, everything is just fine for me.
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Re: Netbooks

On top of the fixed 7 CPU hours for the RICE jobs, the HCMD2 jobs are in principle delimited to 4 hours. If not finished by then or having reached 60% of the total work in the task, it will cut off at the position underhand. The remaining positions are put into a new task for someone else to compute.
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Re: Netbooks



I too have a netbook and they are really not good crunchers are they? I ran Malaria and ABC on mine and gave up. Both took FOREVER to finish a unit.



I bought my son a Dell Mini9 [Intel Atom] and tried it out on WCG.

. . . decided it was for email, surfing the internet and taking notes.
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Re: Netbooks

The problem with HCMD2 is that it takes a lot of work on our part to handle cut-off work units and netbooks would cut off all work units. So it is best to stick too NRW for netbooks or reconcile yourself to multi-day runs on FAAH.

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Re: Netbooks

well, i just installed the WCG software yesterday on my new netbook, and it seems like it is crunching along just fine.

For the record, my new netbook is an ASUS eeepc 1005ha with the newest 1.67 GHz Atom processor (instead of the 1.6GHZ of previous models) with windows 7 ultimate, 1 gig ram. I'm not sure if the extra GHz really makes that much difference, but it has crunched 2 files overnight.

It's not as fast as my AMD turion 2GHz dual core, but it seems to get the job done.
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Re: Netbooks

Will be looking at a new notebook once the new Ix (I7, I5, I3) hyperthreaded CPU's with turboboost are out. Supposedly they use 25% of the power compared to a regular Ix comp. They have on-cpu graphics so that the cooling part of these laptops becomes a whole lot easier to implement.

Did not know until I read that, but they mentioned that some of the atoms have hyperthreading.
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Re: Netbooks

Hello,
The power options have big impact on the netbook performance. They are usually set with balanced profile, and have custom power option panel done by acer, toshiba etc.

Go to Control panel/power options, select the mostly used power mode (Balanced or High performance) and check it advanced options. Make sure at least to set maximum CPU speed to 100% and Enabled Active cooling.
This will allow the unit to turn off the ventilator once CPU is hot to cool it down and continue working in high performance mode.

One more tip - keep connected to power supply. This will select high performance power mode.

Friend of mine had Toshiba netbook with Atom processor on it, after playing with power option it was much faster in WCG crunching.
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Re: Netbooks

I thought that I had already chimed in on this one; but I cannot find that I responded.

I have a pretty original netbook: 8.9" screen, Atom N270 processor, 1 gig DRAM. My machine is an Acer 150-1635.

This machine, and probably any netbook, will do some work, just recognize its limitations :no speed, no power. I can run Rice, I can run some Leiden, Spinhenge, just look for projects with short work units.

I bought this machine to just manage one of my external hard drives of music and video, and for travel. But, no machine that cannot crunch comes into my life.

I have checked results on this machine and they are fine. There are just not a lot of them compared to my 2 Core 2 Duo machines and my I7 machine.

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