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themoonscrescent
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Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

I am only running on 2gig of Ram on my Dell E520 (2.79 Ghz Dual Core: XP Home), and was wondering if it would help the crunching of results if I upped it to 4gig?? (working on these HFCC, some have taken upto 14 hours.. Avg = 9ish hours).

I'm looking at buying a Quaddie, but not until the Octo's have come out and am hoping to speed things up a touch in the mean time (don't know how to & don't want to Over-clock).

Will it be worth it? (also considering that I do use the PC for other thigs as well as crunching... Games, Surfing ect).

Cheers.

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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

4 gig is pointless as XP and Vista 32 bit can only address slightly more than 3 Gb. Your 2Gb for a dual core is more than sufficient. See the System Requirements in Help for the resources PER running science and multiply by X cores to find the maximum usages.
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

It doesn't work quite like that. The addressable limit for applications is 3 GB, but the other 1 GB is used for the system.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb613473(VS.85).aspx

I've never heard anyone complaining about having too much memory.
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

Interesting: Build date: 1/15/2009 though it does not specify the definition of physical and virtual.
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

I can't tell you for sure as you use XP. I have Vista x64 and upgraded my C2D's memory from 2GB to 6GB. That made a noticeable difference in games, as they loaded much faster. I suggest you buy and try, as 2GB 800MHz DDR2 memory sticks are cheap as a soap nowadays. 20 €/$ or something.

Edit: Whoops, your Dell E520 seems to use 533MHz memory, not 800MHz.

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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

Some motherboards only have two memory slots, so two 2 Gb sticks is a common configuration for 32bit systems.

More memory wouldn't make a whole lot of difference for a pure cruncher, but it certainly helped the multitasking for my desktops, which have 4 Gb of memory, and often have other things going on as well. The difference between 2 Gb and 4 Gb was very noticeable.
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

I've never heard anyone complaining about having too much memory.

Because RAM has been cheap for many years now and it's true that it does not penalize performance.

But for themoonscrescent's hope of improving performance it's fair to say that s/he has far enough RAM for a dual core if this machine is not often used by applications eating an enormous quantity of memory.
RAM is certainly the best investment (cheapest and simplest) for boosting a machine which is notoriously poor in RAM, but when RAM is already OK there is nothing more to expect as far as performance is concerned.
Use any tool like System Info under various circumstances to see how much physical memory is available and you will see if your machine is really needing more.

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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

Well, after all these posts in six minutes you are probably as uncertain as before! smile
There is another option if you are ready to buy 2 gigs of RAM. If the RAM that Dell has generously offered you in this machine is not the fastest that your BIOS can manage and if 2 gigs are enough you might simply replace the original ones with better ones and then crunching speed should really improve, which seems to be your first motivation. But don't simply add them because they would adapt their speed to that of the slowest one.

Good luck. Jean.
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

Wow, Thanks for all the advice smile

Doing a check using Crucial's Ram Checker, they say the E520 can handle DDR2-667 and I'm running on 533Mhz, so I may try buying and simply replacing the 2 I already have for the higher speed rating than maxing to 4gb.

Cheers for all the responces biggrin
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Re: Ram: is it worth upping the amount??

You should also consider the RAM timings. You will generally see this referred to as CAS or latency. This is the amount of time the chips need to respond to a command (the time for each type of command sometimes varies but is usually the same as the CAS number)

Wikipedia has a decent explanation.

Take a look at the chart they provide and you'll see that DDR2 memory running at 400mhz but with a 2 cycle latency is almost as fast (27.5 ns) at moving 8 words of data as DDR2 800mhz with CAS 6 latency (23.75ns) - - even though you would assume that DDR2 800 would be twice as fast!

So if you replace your memory with DDR2 chips that have both a higher clock rate (800mhz, 1066mhz, etc) and lower latency (CAS 2, CAS 3, etc) you should notice the difference.

However since WCG is CPU intensive - i.e., does not require huge amounts of memory access (like say, video encoding) - I don't know how much of an improvement you will see. I'm sure there will be some, but I doubt it will be dramatic.

Additional and faster memory (higher speed, lower latency) will however make your computing experience much more pleasant. That much I can guarantee.
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