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Johnny Cool
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 28, 2005 Post Count: 8621 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If the WCG could 'place' Teams in different divisions like in nearly all sports.
----------------------------------------Division 1, Division 2, etc. We just had a Team (easily with 350+ Team Mates) pass ours in Points Generated this evening. And our *huge* Team only has 22-27 Team Mates (depending on what day it is). This suggestion will probably be not implemented due to more important things like: the conversion of UD Points to Boinc Points. Ok, this was meant in fun but yet, think about it. My idea is that Teams would get even more competitive knowing that they were vying for a higher Team Ranking. I am very sure that it would. Competition breeds ... the best of us all. Anyone who has ever played "Team Sports" would know this to be true. Again, just a thought when the WCG (IBM) has more time to even consider this. It would be even more fun and competitive. I think that I am not alone in this idea. Just my two centavos. ![]() And yes, I know that this is probably a 'pipe dream'. Happy crunching, everyone! ![]() |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Preliminary warnings:
----------------------------------------1. I have taken your post as fun as you said, but that does not forbid thinking of it a little more. 2. All real facts in this post are based on BoincStats various lists where it is easier and faster to check, count, etc.. a lot of things regarding statistics. This suggestion will probably be not implemented due to more important things like: the conversion of UD Points to Boinc Points. ![]() This is a very good reason and there are plenty of even better ones like new projects, fine post-move tuning/cleaning, forum software upgrade, etc... Only from a technical staff workload point of view. There is another one regarding an essential topic that you have not detailed much: divisions, fine, but on which criteria? I assume from your post that you are thinking of sorting teams based on how many members they have. I have bad news for you: the next team which should pass your Team Andrax (50 members with 27 active ones) is UVM CEMS, a poor little team with only 3 active members (4 in total), and UH IT HPC should pass Team Andrax some time later, despite its only 7 members (all active). And it's not better for large teams: the last one which crushed our large Decrypthon team (486 active members out of a total 1065 in BoincStats) is MakeCuresHappen, on its way to the top 5 with all its 6 active members (8 in total)! So what else? active devices, average daily contribution?... We would probably find cases demonstrating that any criteria that we can think of are not fair in all circumstances. Why not build your own private division of teams that you consider as of the same strength as yours and keep an eye on them to make sure you are doing well? Or see how you rank on daily contribution and set this rank as your target for overall contribution (if you are not already there). Just some thoughts... Keep crunching and having fun with all possible stats that we can find here ot there. Jean. ![]() |
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Johnny Cool
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 28, 2005 Post Count: 8621 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Preliminary warnings: 1. I have taken your post as fun as you said, but that does not forbid thinking of it a little more. 2. All real facts in this post are based on BoincStats various lists where it is easier and faster to check, count, etc.. a lot of things regarding statistics. This suggestion will probably be not implemented due to more important things like: the conversion of UD Points to Boinc Points. ![]() This is a very good reason and there are plenty of even better ones like new projects, fine post-move tuning/cleaning, forum software upgrade, etc... Only from a technical staff workload point of view. There is another one regarding an essential topic that you have not detailed much: divisions, fine, but on which criteria? I assume from your post that you are thinking of sorting teams based on how many members they have. I have bad news for you: the next team which should pass your Team Andrax (50 members with 27 active ones) is UVM CEMS, a poor little team with only 3 active members (4 in total), and UH IT HPC should pass Team Andrax some time later, despite its only 7 members (all active). And it's not better for large teams: the last one which crushed our large Decrypthon team (486 active members out of a total 1065 in BoincStats) is MakeCuresHappen, on its way to the top 5 with all its 6 active members (8 in total)! So what else? active devices, average daily contribution?... We would probably find cases demonstrating that any criteria that we can think of are not fair in all circumstances. Why not build your own private division of teams that you consider as of the same strength as yours and keep an eye on them to make sure you are doing well? Or see how you rank on daily contribution and set this rank as your target for overall contribution (if you are not already there). Just some thoughts... Keep crunching and having fun with all possible stats that we can find here ot there. Jean. ![]() Yes, the number of Team Mates! Of course! LOL! It is easy to spot "drone teams" like several that will pass us like the University of Vermont School of Computing. BTW, you called them: a poor little team with only 3 active members Aha. Ahahahaha. Buahahahahahahhahahaha! Nevermind. Been working way too much and am also doing taxes whilst trying to save my business. At least give me credit for having a sense of humor (humour) that "Fan Boys" lack here. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
No "Fan Boys" here ;? In a way small and large can compete in the challenges with the % improvement formats. Think here in fact the smaller teams have much greater potential to win from the biggies as adding few members or machines has for these teams a much greater relative impact.
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 3010 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Johnny Cool
----------------------------------------Never let anyone discourage you from coming up with suggestions - after all, a surprising number of suggestions (whether they be feasible or not), do, in some shape or form, eventually emerge into something real. Okay, the points JmBoullier made, are real and, as always, everything has their own place on the 'priority hitlist', although the number of people we have active in this forum (never mind the people who only crunch and never visit the forums), are huge and widespread, and thus, are likely to bring some suggestions to the table that are valid and which will land further up the 'priority list' than others. ![]() |
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mikaok
Senior Cruncher Finland Joined: Aug 8, 2006 Post Count: 489 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If the WCG could 'place' Teams in different divisions like in nearly all sports. You absolutely have something here. I really like the idea of divisions. This is the way teams are divided in football and icehockey, so why not in WCG. WCG already has these team challenges, so now teams could get their very own badge system as well... And how about stealing some more ideas, straight from team sports? Top 20 teams play in league and others in divisions 1, div 2 and so on. Then we get playoffs and finals. And of course, at the end of the season, last teams of the category play againts top teams of the lower category. I think moving between divisions, and league, might really be the catch here. Scoring system will be "Team accumulated points in one week". I tried. Who's next.
to infinity and beyond
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Never let anyone discourage you from coming up with suggestions It was not my intention. Both Johnny and me said that this discussion is on a fun mode. And it is also true that new features can (have?) come into WCG after similar discussions in the Suggestions forum. For this one, before having to find resources to implement and run it, again, there should be a consensus from members on how teams should be placed in the various divisions. And I think it is the first difficult point. I said "from members" because if WCG ever implements such a feature it will be with hope that it attracts members and keep them motivated to crunch. Certainly not for creating frustration or disappointment. You are all welcome to better define this suggestion, as well as submitting others. Jean. ![]() |
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boulmontjj
Senior Cruncher France Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 317 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi every body,
----------------------------------------I think that to do a lot of suggestions is good, but it is a dream to see all of them implemented. I presume WCG staff has a lot of work to maintain serveurs, WCG site and forum, prepare the new projects that arrive regularly, ... So suggestions can help to perform this site/forum or give some good ideas for futur but if an idea would take too much time, i'm not sure that it must be retain. Priority to the research. That's why i'm here, to crunch and help scientist. I like features on this site/forum but it is not a priority for me. |
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mikaok
Senior Cruncher Finland Joined: Aug 8, 2006 Post Count: 489 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I think that to do a lot of suggestions is good, but it is a dream to see all of them implemented. I think there is nothing wrong with this kind of a brainstorming. It is just a five minute break for all of us. After all, sciense doesn't have to be that serious cheers Mika
to infinity and beyond
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Johnny Cool
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 28, 2005 Post Count: 8621 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If the WCG could 'place' Teams in different divisions like in nearly all sports. You absolutely have something here. I really like the idea of divisions. This is the way teams are divided in football and icehockey, so why not in WCG. WCG already has these team challenges, so now teams could get their very own badge system as well... And how about stealing some more ideas, straight from team sports? Top 20 teams play in league and others in divisions 1, div 2 and so on. Then we get playoffs and finals. And of course, at the end of the season, last teams of the category play againts top teams of the lower category. I think moving between divisions, and league, might really be the catch here. Scoring system will be "Team accumulated points in one week". I tried. Who's next. mikaok, I agree. LOL! This idea would be great and a lot of fun and even more competitive. Maybe WCG can implement this whenever. I have ideas (like many others) how WCG can make this a simple process. Very easy to implement. "Club Teams", "University Teams", "National Teams," "value-added Teams" (you folks know what I mean; just look at a few of the Top Teams here). Geez, this would really light the "competitive fire" of so many Teams. And yes, it would be great fun! ![]() ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Johnny Cool at Apr 10, 2009 2:20:07 AM] |
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