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Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

I posted a simple question on yahoo answers. It was "How many people here are apart of the World Community Grid?"

I've had one reply
"No way outsiders are able to use my computer and internet when I'm not on it.
If they're able to use it, they're able to access certain files in the computer.
I skimmed the forums and there seems to be some issues with this "project." Crashing computer, unable to upload, logging users off their own computers, etc. No thanks."

And if you look at past questions and answers the attitude against this group is very similar to the reaction above.

What is up with the paranoia?
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

Caution is both understandable and wise. Stopping that caution turning into paranoia requires some research into the security and reputation of the project. We answer the most common questions here: http://wcg.wikia.com/wiki/Security

Remind your correspondent that the forums are designed for dealing with the few issues that come up, and that many thousands of members are computing with no issues at all.
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

Remind your correspondent that the forums are designed for dealing with the few issues that come up, and that many thousands of members are computing with no issues at all.


. . . . and I am one of the thousands!

Thanks for a great system and site used for the benefit of all.
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

1) i dont do yahoo so... i wouldnt see the question

personaly i dont tend to surf places like that

people will be paranoid

also alot more people would respond to BOINC instead of World Community Grid (that most people running this use BOINC)

you also need to realize most those paranoid people tend to eithor
1) have tons of anti-v software and anti popup and so forth
or
2) are afrade to add software like that cause its muckin with there computer.. (and instead probally have computer virouses)

remember the best way to get more people runnin this project is to talk about it at home and at work and while recreating just let others know its your intrest and why... if you get 1 more computer added you have helped

corse if you have money like some of these people you probaly find it easyer just to add another computer to your stack of computers
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

I'd suggest that this thread would be better off in "Chat Room" rather than "Caring and Sharing."

But that aside, I believe that there are so many self-declared "IT experts" around - some even with apparently-reputable degrees - who basically have very little more than a superficial IT knowledge - enough to pass exams, and no more.

Employers trust these people - boosted by their own "knowledge" having successfully designed a spreadsheet and describing themselves as hot-shot programmers and database designers as a result.

These people are paranoid since they know so little they can make blunders that will be obvious to all - and could lead to their dismissal. Hence anything they don't understand will be instantly classified as "dangerous," derided and dismissed.

Case in point: My assistant at my last job was supposed to be performing "network manager" tasks - an area with which I am not familiar. She refused to implement automatic virus-scanners and it was obvious that despite her IT degree she simply didn't know how.

But there was actually a more sinister reason. She could spend half of every workday making a "manual scan for viruses" - or so she claimed. The remainder of the workday consisted of monitoring what the users were doing - making sure that they were only visiting sites that she assessed were associated with their jobs and not doing their internet banking for instance.

The "virus scan" was in reality a detailed examination of what the users believed to be their "private" areas - looking for people using company computers to apply for other jobs, for instance (and reporting these abuses to "senior management.") And the main reason was that a virus scanner can't determine what the content of a graphics file was. It could be a graphic of the company's products, or of a bowl of flowers, or maybe a customer's order (some would print, sign, scan and send a JPEG) - but mainly it was to detect anyone downloading objectionable material.

This monitoring task she had turned into a full-time job, not actually trying to figure out why the server crashes were occurring, of course.

But then her husband was the assistant-general-manager, so she was fireproof and her every word had to be taken as gospel - she had an IT degree, after all, and was studying for a PhD.

If I'd still been there, we'd have another 200 cores crunching, but I'm not.
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

I'm about as paranoid as you can be without being subject to involuntary committal - and I have definitely crossed the line from time to time.

the bottom line is you have to know who you're dealing with and what is involved. I know that WCG reviews the source code submitted by projects and compiles the executables themselves. Most people won't even know what that means.

At some point you have to be willing to trust people. The point is to make an informed decision and be willing to continually review the wisdom of that decision. If you do any significant research, you find that WCG has been operating for several years with no hidden agenda or malware having been discovered to date.

Everything else is rumor and innuendo - things people are attracted to like moths to a bug zapper. they don't care about the facts.
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

the bottom line is you have to know who you're dealing with and what is involved. I know that WCG reviews the source code submitted by projects and compiles the executables themselves. Most people won't even know what that means.


Amen.

Ms. PhD supported hubby-agm's view that the accountant and the IT clerk (amongst others) should have compile privileges, and be able to randomly re-compile whenever they felt the need. Not that this security-expert felt the need to remove the post-it notes plastered on monitors showing the system master username and password...

Same woman's solution to an inadequately-sized multidimensional array (I should add I inherited this system, I did not design it) was to simply change the OCCURS clauses and recompile the 600+ programs and all would be well. She condescended to spend two whole days of her valuable time testing before the new programs were released.

Still - both she and hubby still had their jobs last I heard...
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Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

Hence anything they don't understand will be instantly classified as "dangerous," derided and dismissed.




One of my neighbors is a retired IT professional and he can tell stories when disc drives were the size of washing machines and the discs looked like stacked pizza pans, but I can't get him interested in WCG or BOINC in the least.

His main concern is security and he only runs his computers a couple hours a day anyway.

So he builds himself a new computer every 3 or 4 years and then watch it collect dust.
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Re: Why are people so paranoid about World Community Grid?

It seems that your neighbor understands as much about security as you to pizzas (I am not sure that Sekerob would enjoy eating a pizza made in a "pizza pan" smile ).
I have used those disk drives (5 attached to a 360-40 with 128 kB of memory) and I can tell you their type (2311), the organization of their disk packs (200 cylinders of 10 tracks of 1920 bytes, wow almost 4 MB per pack!) and still, I am leaving my two PCs running even when I am away. smile

Teach him a few basics about security protection. Jean. smile
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rose Re: Why is this thread here

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What does all this have to do with Caring and Sharing and why this thread is here . frankly many of us don“t understand , specially those who lost their beloved ones rose


Thanks
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