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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Are you sure it's not all running on 1 core?
----------------------------------------Looked in and saw on Vista 1 CEP 2:12 hours into job with 2:56 minutes Kernel time and about 5k PF Delta, which seems lower than the 7k or so previously observed 3 FAAH, 1 running 6 hours shows 17 seconds kernel time and zero PF delta. You almost made me happy Jean ![]()
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Are you sure it's not all running on 1 core? I hope you have forgotten some smiley, otherwise I would have to call Tedi... That's precisely because I know how much CEP is "page-faulting" in Windows that I had my first good surprise. And the second surprise is related to your many posts giving high kernel times (which seem normal with so much page faulting). I should add that I was surprised by the 27 % system with four HCCs. I don't remember having noticed such a high figure in the past. But honestly I don't start top in Linux as often as I do with TM in Windows. And perhaps my recent upgrade of Ubuntu from 804 to 810 has changed something in this area? Cheers. Jean. |
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Dark Angel
Veteran Cruncher Australia Joined: Nov 11, 2005 Post Count: 728 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I never looked before but on this system (Opteron 185, Ubuntu 8.04 x64) with CEP on both cores I'm getting 2.8% system. I'm not sure which readout refers to page faults though as I don't remember the last time I looked for that.
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widdershins
Veteran Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 30, 2007 Post Count: 677 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Are you sure it's not all running on 1 core? Looked in and saw on Vista 1 CEP 2:12 hours into job with 2:56 minutes Kernel time and about 5k PF Delta, which seems lower than the 7k or so previously observed 3 FAAH, 1 running 6 hours shows 17 seconds kernel time and zero PF delta. You almost made me happy Jean ![]() I've just started on two CEP units on my quad core machine running Kbuntu 8.something (not sure what the number is, the previous one to the current one - whatever it is). The other two cores are running DDT units ATM. As you can probably guess I'm not a hardcore linux geek, and hadn't heard of the top command until now - I usually use the graphical process monitor KSysGuard if I want to see what's running. I use Linux cause it works and doesn't hog all my resources, crash, get polluted with nasties, etc. I've had my fill of fixing MS machines that have gone wonky.Anyways, I tried out top, added the page fault view option and I can confirm Jeans view of low page faults. Now this may not apply in all circumstances, perhaps I was lucky with these two units but the fault count seems pretty reasonable. I've copied the figures below and included my highest page faulting process for comparison.
The "P" column is the core it is running on and nFLT seems to suggest a single page fault has happened on BOINC work in the past hour whilst running at 100% load for all that time. Doesn't seem too bad to me. If it's of interest here's my boinc setup: Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Mabye CEP is just more sensitive to the config of the rig it's running on than most projects? [Edit 1 times, last edit by widdershins at Feb 6, 2009 9:37:20 PM] |
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Former Member
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Sorry, widdershins, that's no use at all. top only shows hard page faults (ones that require a disk read). The kernel time issue is caused by soft page faults.
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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top only shows hard page faults Thanks for reacting! That's why I asked for a trained Linux user's supervision... And which tool should I use to see soft page faults? Although it seems that it is HCC which is affected by this problem more than CEP under Linux. Unless I have also taken the wrong figures for system % in top's summary? Cheers. Jean. |
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Former Member
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I can't remember. We went through all this about a year ago.
I'll get back to you. |
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Former Member
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I was looking in the wrong place. I had this discussion on IRC. Logs are my friend.
Anyway, the command is sar. It is dependant on the sysstat service. So, you need something like: /etc/init.d/sysstat start (wait for it to collect data) sar -B 3 4 |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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OK, thank you for the tip Didactylos.
----------------------------------------So I could see real soft page faults counts and they were in the same range as under XP2 SP3 for the same machine, i.e. about 8,000 per second and per task. And I could also see why HCC is causing so much kernel time: about 135,000 soft page faults per second per task, which makes CEP a modest player in this annoying game. And while one CEP task adds about 0.5 % to the kernel time one HCC task adds about 5.7 %! Regarding results I have been distributed 11 WUs in total for this Linux experiment. 8 have been returned with a clean Result Log and 3 with the "Failed to open either source or destination files while copying wcgrestart.rst to ../../projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org" message. But as I reported in this separate thread Valid failing WU(s) those three failing WUs are considered as Valid from a crunching viewpoint by the validators and get normal credits accordingly. Cheers. Jean. |
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Former Member
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I've upgraded some machines to Lenny and suprise:
It contains boinc_client version 6.2.14!! Still not 6.2.15 thow, but much better than the 5.4.11 from Etch. |
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