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andyarmstrong
Cruncher Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Post Count: 22 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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there is no point shunning the idea - heat is not a problem if you limit cpu use - and yes that may be a negtive thing but its fine - i want to try end of story.
Its my way of helping and yes others are busy with more pressing matters but i think this is a good idea so will run with it. I just need a bit of advice from nicolas to see what he has tried and where his experiance could help me. |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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This thread and the idea that started it are interesting and I think that it was fair from Didactylos to say it is not practical for the time being, at least for WCG. Saying it is not practical does not mean that it is silly or that it can never become practical. It is simply saying that you will not raise a high interest here from the WCG staff.
----------------------------------------WCG is interested in progressing (+65 % currently for the 30-day indicator over last year) and in marketing, although some people in the forum may well think it is not done as well as they think they would do it. And some people in WCG are always looking for ways to make WCG more visible. But there are other tasks which must be achieved before thinking of progressing and marketing, it is those tasks which make WCG stable, reliable and living, because it would be a shame to attract people here for nothing valuable. IBM is a big company and it is 100 % sponsoring WCG, but it will certainly never tell WCG's boss "use any of our resources and spend as much of our money that you want", therefore WCG's boss has to do with the resources he is allowed to use and with the budget he is allowed to spend, as all other serious organizations which want to live longer than an advertising campaign. At present that means 1. starting WCG's brand new datacenter 2. completing the launch of the Clean Energy Project 3. launching several new projects or new phases in the coming six months And top of that, keep operations running smoothly every day (which is not the case for several other grids). In parallel with these tasks there are other less visible or less immediate tasks which WCG has to deal with, like helping scientists when/if they need (like DDDT, Rice or Genome currently, for example), investigating new platforms (e.g. GPUs), and low but still not forgotten, refurbishing this outdated forum. At present running applications on iPods looks more like an experimental or Research topic than a practical one when compared to the above tasks. Again that does not mean that it is not interesting or that it should be rejected (and it has not been) it only means that it is not currently a viable way for WCG. And personally I think that this thread should not be in the Boinc Agent Support section (which is meant for day-to-day operational problems) of the forum but rather in the Suggestion/Feedback or in the Chat sections. Andy, keep going on for yourself, and we will be interested to know how it is going, but as others have said don't expect much support from WCG itself. Cheers. Jean. |
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1423 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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over the years people have brought up can i use or hack or modify aaa game system or bbb hand held device
----------------------------------------this might definatly be something you can do for BOINC projects and such but being the processer speeds of the handhelds and IPhones and such I do not think it could process a work unit fast enough for WCG's standards that being said would love to see if you can get an aplication reliably running something like BOINC and a few of the simpler programs. if you can get the IPhone to run BOINC with Stability, and get others to use it too then I am sure the people at WCG would probaly be intrested in it more but again i am worried about the heat issues. yes publicity for distributed computing would be great but I would hate to see the bad publicity of something like Man recieves 3rd degree burns from his ddd device when grabing it while it is running a distributed computing project. good luck with your IPhone work and hope you get something good but personaly lookin at stat pages or a grapics display of WCG projects or something like that is probaly more feasible and easyer ![]() |
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AppleTV
Cruncher Joined: Dec 7, 2008 Post Count: 45 Status: Offline |
People with more time than (ahem) Yes, people have experimented with stuff like this. I can hook you up with them if you like. But for practical purposes - it's not an effective way of computing. Every little doesn't help when you take things like cost into account. What cost is there? If people already have the phone, every bit does help because the phone is more than strong enough to pump out units for projects like Nutritious Rice that have small WUs. Why shouldn't grid computing happen mobile too? It's not really going to "wear out" someone's phone since they are solid state devices, it's not like their hard drive is going to wear out.. Cut the guy some slack. It sounds like a fun project to take on.. even if "impractical" for mass grid computing. ;) |
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AppleTV
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I had no problem running BOINC completely unmodified on my AppleTV box once I hacked it to accept the use of a standard keyboard, mouse, etc over its USB port using well published hacks... hence my BOINC name.. ;) Heck, I even got published on many well known Mac sites for being the first to deploy an AppleTV as a GRID computing device. ;) And it wasn't all that slow. It surprisingly pumped out a lot of results for FAAH!
I encourage people to do odd projects like this for fun. I don't see that it would be that much more difficult to deploy on an iPhone with the exception that it would have to be modified to run in the restricted environment that is imposed by the phone's "version" of Mac OS which may lack certain features exploited by BOINC software. For sure you would have to scale down the UI considerably for practical reasons on a small screen (albeit one with better than HD ppi resolution) and would probably want to limit its client interaction to projects with very short WUs like Nutritious Rice for the World or HHC. Moreover, I don't think you have to worry about "burning up your iPhone". It is likely there is already thermal management built into the phone's CPU but double-check that. I am aware the phone has the ability to throttle its clock-speed on demand for power management which makes thermal management a likely thing to integrate into that. |
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andyarmstrong
Cruncher Joined: Jun 25, 2008 Post Count: 22 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thank you for your kind support AppleTV!
I am waiting for this Nicolas guy to get in touch - but i dont think he will - in which case I am going to go ahead on my own steam! |
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MDHC
Cruncher Joined: Dec 8, 2008 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't have an iPhone, but I do have iPod Touch. It was a gift and I barely use it. I would like a DC/BOINC agent for the iPod Touch, is that possible? Where can I get it?
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Former Member
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Hello MDHC,
You can search for iPod on the BOINC development message forum at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_search.php You will find discouraging posts such as this one by Nicolas Ladies and gentleman, I successfully cross-compiled the BOINC client to the IPod touch (1.x firmware). I've yet to test it, though :) EDIT: ok, not really worth running. Look at these benchmarks! Lawrence |
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MDHC
Cruncher Joined: Dec 8, 2008 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Any news on BOINC that can be ported to my iPod?
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Former Member
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Any news on BOINC that can be ported to my iPod? Nope |
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