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Former Member
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We live in a christian society based on the belief on one God as 90% or so believe. It is through this belief system that humans are born into sin, commit sin and asking for God's forgiveness as it's the only true righteous way to eternal light or life.
So with that being said, if someone acquires an HIV infection it is because they have sinned or somehow been associated with someone who sinned? So through this system they must must be forgiven by God or be damned for all eternity in hell. Most normal society has no sympathy for those who are: disabled, mentally ill, economically disadvantaged, physically ill, diseased or otherwise weak. The reality is they somehow figure you probably deserved it by putting yourself in that situation as you have failed to take proper responsibility. So with this being said, the World Community Grid is an effort by the minority who are acting like "INDIVIDUALS" in our society and who actually do care about making a change in our world. Part of the effort we stand behind arguably looks to undue the sins of God and therefore is a sin within itself. If we help find a cure for AIDS then we have taken away the power of sin and the punishment, at least here on Earth. This is my personal opinion from interviewing many people from public on these types of issues. If anyone else would like to argue or disagree please seek a diverse set of public input first to become more aware. Getting this on a digital video media recorder would be great to post on youtube or something. FYI: Keep in mind that a lot of scientists, people in trusted public positions, policy makers and trusted authorities believe in God and do attend Catholic churches. So we must ask ourselves are their hearts, minds and souls into finding real, genuine cures for disease? I'm not to say Christians on here don't believe in it, obviously they are here, but I believe that is the minority. I'm just saying the people in power are holding most of the keys and guarding most of the gates will we need as individuals to make the change. Awareness is the first step for cures. |
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retsof
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I'll remember to confess my sin if I get HIV from a blood transfusion.
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I'll remember to confess my sin if I get HIV from a blood transfusion. Hello, You have to understand the illogical thinking involved. It wouldn't exactly be your sin, you would have just 'inherited' the sin of someone else by association and therefore be paying for it. Also, perhaps your sin caused you to loose blood and need a blood transfusion? I know this only because I have talked with many Christians on this sensitive subject that nobody likes talking about. It's really a wonderful and inescapable loop of illogical logic(ideology) at work. I do not necessarily subscribe to this logic, but many do. |
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retsof
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That's a good reason for being nonreligious...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That commandment about having no other gods before me just says that God wants to be #1, but there could be a whole list of subgods.
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I see too many flaws with the christian ideals myself. Sinning all your life, confessing, and then going to heaven sounds way too easy... Of course, it's interesting to study the "believe me or i'll hurt you" days.. And how all the Christians nearly destroyed themselves pointing and going "Witch!". Seriously, I have nothing against anyone individually, but just take a look at all the flaws too.
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I didn't start this dicussion to bash Christians or say how detrimental they can be for scientific progress, but to inform, educate and have an intelligent discussion. I'm sure there are good Christians who more then support scientific progress, especially on here in particular. It's about differentiation for me.
Roman Catholics believe in spiritual purgatory, perhaps it could be a state of suffering on Earth such as having a disease? Perhaps, some of us are just lost in purgatory here on Earth? I am still educating myself concerning religion and God. It wouldn't be scientific to not consider the possibility. Perhaps, if hell exists we are pulled by gravity into the molten mantle of the Earth instead of being pulled up into a white beam of light? Maybe, if heaven or God exist it's outside this thing we call our Universe, it's outside the spacetime bubble of what is observable? I am still trying to find a scientific way to find heaven or hell. |
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RKN_frost
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It is difficult to discuss about religion by scientific manners, because you will most likely hurt someones religious feelings.
----------------------------------------The basic question is the conception of god you are talking about: is it a supernatural god? A personal one? A god who acts in our world or a god who just pressed the "start"-button and lets the universe evolve? There are thousands of gods in human mythology... If you talk about a god that is subject to the methods of science, you will come to the conclusion, that there is almost certainly no god. If you on the contrary talk about a god that is supernatural and thereby can not be subject to scientific examination, then the discussion is senseless because you have no methodology to handle the subject. In the result, it is a question of belief or nonbelief.  |
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We live in a christian society........ You may do so but the vast majority on this planet do not, so please do NOT make incorrect generalisations! |
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We live in a christian society........ You may do so but the vast majority on this planet do not, so please do NOT make incorrect generalisations! Hello, I knew it was a mistake after I posted it and here is the challenge is here. I should have correctly specified belief in "God" and living in America. Now all polls and methodologies might vary a little bit, but overall the mass majority of people do appear to believe in God. Although, not covered in this article I seen another one that the belief in God is anywhere from 69% to 85% in advanced most civilized countries. "Fully 92 percent of Americans say they believe in God, 85 percent in heaven and 82 percent in miracles, according to the latest FOX News poll. Though belief in God has remained at about the same level, belief in the devil has increased slightly over the last few years — from 63 percent in 1997 to 71 percent today." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...6/23/ST2008062300818.html I have a lot of people tell me all the time I need to believe in God and that he will help me. I have people tell me that he can cure illness and is always watching over the person who believes in him. Everywhere I go and talk with people just about all believe in God. I believe this is an objective observation; not subjective generalization. |
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RKN_frost
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Although, not covered in this article I seen another one that the belief in God is anywhere from 69% to 85% in advanced most civilized countries. I'd question that. In Europe, we have a religious majority in southern countrys, about a 50:50 ratio in middle Europe and up to 80% atheists and agnostics in the northern countrys. If you include non-western countrys like the parts of the former soviet union or china, you will also find a vast majority of atheists and agnostics. I remember a study some years ago that implied that the US is the only industrialized country with a trend towards religion - all other countrys showed a significant loss in religious beliefs. I have a lot of people tell me all the time I need to believe in God and that he will help me. I have people tell me that he can cure illness and is always watching over the person who believes in him. Everywhere I go and talk with people just about all believe in God. I believe this is an objective observation; not subjective generalization. I always wonder why god only cures diseases that are known (and scientifically explained) to have spontaneous remissions... ever asked yourself why he doesn't heal amputees? If you want to read a sceptic voice on the subject from a scientific point of view, i'd suggest you take a look at the book "The God Delusion" from Richard Dawkins. [Edit 1 times, last edit by RKN_frost at Dec 1, 2008 7:41:43 AM] |
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