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Re: Core i7 to be released 11/17/08


Not in all cases. The rice project takes 8 or 9 hours regardless of your CPU speed.



Imagine the points that would be awarded with that kind of processing power. . . .
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The rice project takes 8 or 9 hours regardless of your CPU speed.
Imagine the points that would be awarded with that kind of processing power. . . .

Two small corrections:
Imagine Wait to see the points that would will be awarded with that kind of processing power. smile
And Rice will be raised one more step to 10 hours.

I guess we will not have to wait long after November 17 for seeing the first real life figures in this forum. Movieman is secretly playing with his pre-release one for several weeks and will certainly be quick to tell us what we must really think of these new beasts. smile

Cheers. Jean.
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/...

I downloaded 16 work units for WCG and ran them in 3 groups to get some idea of the effects of using hyperthreading on this program. The first 8 WU I ran in 2 groups of 4 with HT off and as you see they finished in app 2 hours 28 minutes. The last group of 8 WU I ran at one time with HT enabled and was happily surprised to see that they finished in less than twice the time of running 4 units with HT off. 4 hours 25 mins app .This shows the effect of HT and that it is a positive one.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/...

I downloaded 16 work units for WCG and ran them in 3 groups to get some idea of the effects of using hyperthreading on this program. The first 8 WU I ran in 2 groups of 4 with HT off and as you see they finished in app 2 hours 28 minutes. The last group of 8 WU I ran at one time with HT enabled and was happily surprised to see that they finished in less than twice the time of running 4 units with HT off. 4 hours 25 mins app .This shows the effect of HT and that it is a positive one.

You stealing my thunder? laughing
This is what I see;
i7-965 with HT enabled returns 8 HCC WU in app 4 hours 25 minutes and get's app 25,400 PPD..
That's based on averaging 10 days received credit.
With HT disabled it does the HCC WU in 2 hours 25 minutes and claims at a rate of 20,800 per day.
That's at 3733mhz with 1.35v to the cpu and 1.54v to the memory for both Ht enabled and disabled.
multi's are at 28x133
It really is a beast and next for me if I can find the parts is the dual socket version of this, the Gainstown.
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Hi Movieman!
I am interested by your experiments. Since I anticipated that the HT topic would surface again in discussions with the start of Nehalem processors I have just run a series of tests with my old P4 HT. My purpose was to have a real life answer to this question:
Is the global throughput of a HT processor much better by feeding it with two simultaneous WUs than by giving it those two WUs one after the other?
In Boinc's terms, is it more productive to allow two processors for a single HT core or is it more efficient to restrict it to one.

I have never considered disabling HT itself because I think that when a processor has to deal with more work than it can it will always be better if it can use features designed specifically for making it easier and more efficient. And in our machines, even with one WU at a time, a processor has always other things to do.

Reading your post I have the feeling that your experiments have been about disabling the HT feature itself. Could you please confirm, and if yes would it be possible for you to redo the same test as mine (4 WUs alone, then the other 4 alone too, vs all eight WUs all at once, but all with HT ON) to see what happens on the global throughput on one hand, and on crediting on the other hand.

On crediting my tests show that there is a considerable difference between claimed and granted credits between these different running modes (and it is normal), so I can wait until you are allowed to run the tests online in real life (if you accept to do it, of course).

Cheers. Jean.
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Hi Movieman,
This is really interesting information. Hyperthreading on Nehalem is fundamentally different than on the Pentium 4 because the micro-operations that the x86 instructions are decoded into are handled very differently. This is the first chance that we have had to see how efficiently it works on the i7. The first glance seems to be a big improvement over hyperthreading on the Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 showed a 44% speedup on a few SSE instructions but much less speedup for most x86 instructions. Core i7 appears to be doing better on the general mix of instructions.

At least, that's the first glance appearance. Lets hope!

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MM,

Mulling this over, a benchmark at full throttle and results crunched at half the speed with HT. Wonder if the credit methodology is going to gag at this. Looking forward to hear about that, and sure we will ;>)

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Re: Core i7 to be released 11/17/08

I have been following Intel Nehalem [i7] Press releases, fan sites and videos for over a year:

Intel Core i7: The Essential Guide
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http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-compo...drags-core-i7-down-480468

How Windows Vista drags Core i7 down
Core i7's problem with Vista's thread management
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