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FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Hi all,
Please take a look at this link I dunno why this WU was inconclusive, so I have 2 questions :-

a. Why this must have happened and what can I do for it to not happen again? (First time it has happened though)
b. Would I get the time/credit for it or no?

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[Nov 4, 2008 10:02:37 AM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Please see our FAQ on FAAH/DDDT Zero Redundancy. Randomly, about 1 in 10, a first result for these projects is marked inconclusive and second copy send out. After that comes back a validation takes place and credit awarded according the Quorum 2 rules.

Added: Can't' see anyone's result details, need copy/paste of detail, but looking at Quorum 2 / Init distro 3, it seems the first 2 were not in agreement or 1 of the first 2 had another condition preventing validation.

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[Nov 4, 2008 10:51:04 AM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

I dunno if this is what you are looking at or not


Project Name:  	 	FightAIDS@Home
Created: 		10/31/08
Name: 		faah4560_000324_MC_xMut_md07200_02
Minimum Quorum: 		2
Initial Replication: 		3
	

Result Name 	Status 	Sent Time 	Time Due /
 Return Time 	CPU Time (hours) 	Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
faah4560_ 000324_ MC_ xMut_ md07200_ 02_ 2-- 	In Progress 	11/4/08 09:49:35 	11/6/08 19:25:35 	0.00 	0.0 / 0.0
faah4560_ 000324_ MC_ xMut_ md07200_ 02_ 1-- 	Inconclusive 	11/2/08 00:20:27 	11/4/08 09:06:43 	22.94 	99.7 / 0.0
faah4560_ 000324_ MC_ xMut_ md07200_ 02_ 0-- 	Inconclusive 	11/2/08 00:12:54 	11/4/08 01:41:45 	25.32 	141.4 / 0.0

[Nov 4, 2008 1:38:10 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Or this

<core_client_version>6.2.12</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
INFO:[12:27:51] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[12:31:09] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 0)
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2500
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2626
_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 2758
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_maxGenSeenSoFar changed: 10328
Updating Best Energy for WU: 0.00
Finished Docking number 0
Updating Best Energy for WU: -8.06
Finished Docking number 1
Finished Docking number 2
Finished Docking number 3
Finished Docking number 4
Finished Docking number 5
Finished Docking number 6
Finished Docking number 7
Finished Docking number 8
Finished Docking number 9
Finished Docking number 10
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 11)
Finished Docking number 11
Finished Docking number 12
Finished Docking number 13
Finished Docking number 14
Finished Docking number 15
Finished Docking number 16
Finished Docking number 17
Finished Docking number 18
Finished Docking number 19
Finished Docking number 20
Finished Docking number 21
Finished Docking number 22
Finished Docking number 23
Finished Docking number 24
Finished Docking number 25
Finished Docking number 26
Finished Docking number 27
Finished Docking number 28
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 29)
Finished Docking number 29
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 30)
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 30)
Finished Docking number 30
Restoring grahics. bestEnergy: -9.994520 maxGenSeen: 10328
AG Check: Found receptor.A.map
Beginning AutoDock...

autodock4: *** WARNING! Non-integral total charge (-1.5 e) on ligand! ***

INFO: Setting num_generations: 10000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 31)
Finished Docking number 31
Finished Docking number 32
Finished Docking number 33
Finished Docking number 34
Finished Docking number 35
Finished Docking number 36
Finished Docking number 37
Finished Docking number 38
Finished Docking number 39
Finished Docking number 40

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

INFO:[06:06:19] Start AutoGrid...

autogrid: autogrid4: Successful Completion.
INFO:[06:08:04] End AutoGrid...
Beginning AutoDock...
INFO: Setting num_generations: 27000
About to enter main loop...(dockings already completed: 41)
Finished Docking number 0

________________________________________________________________________________

autodock4: Successful Completion on "World Community Grid device"

________________________________________________________________________________

called boinc_finish

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[Nov 4, 2008 1:42:52 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Okay, so this task was issued to a device that has not reached the "reliable" status (See FAQs) and thus not one but two copies were initially sent out. Since there was no agreement, they were rated "inconclusive", so the 3rd will have to determine which is OK.

If you click on the "Inconclusive" link on the Result status page you can see if there is something odd. Note that there are a number of "benign" messages that read as e.g. "warning". Yes, another FAQ lists the most common ones you can ignore.

See http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=21501 for the FAQ index.

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[Nov 4, 2008 1:48:21 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

One of the links I got

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=6105#120888

Can't find the second one, the one which you said about benign warnings and such :(

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[Nov 4, 2008 2:12:54 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Hi shirish,

Look under 4. BOINC Messages and Problem Resolution in the The Start Here Forum Frequently Asked Questions Index at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=21501

This post ( BOINC: "Failed to get VersionInfo size: 1812" and other Innocent Result log entries at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=15646 ) has a number of 'benign' messages.

Lawrence

[Nov 4, 2008 5:40:20 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

The third one agreed with the other guy and hence the WU was invalid. can somebody point out why the WU was invalid? Some line or something which tells me what was wrong in that WU?

Also is this a random thing, or does it mean my PC or my BOINC client has issues?

Although one of the things is that my client and machine just got a HPF2 valid thing (and it has a much larger quorum)

So it would be nicer to know as well.

[Nov 5, 2008 12:14:38 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

shirish,

See nothing in your Log of alarming nature, to me, but do note you're running a beta client, early beta 6.2.12. We ran through 6.2 point releases pretty quick. WCG's version will be at least release 6.2.26 if not higher.

You don't tell which of the 2 "inconclusive" is yours. If you post the final quorum detail, could speculate. Possible the job had a wrong bit, which is enough to render a result invalid in a "bit for bit" comparison and given it was deemed "inconclusive" means that in principle it ran OK, possible interrupted during the run?

Very occasionally I have one post a power out, so unless you have more results going bad, it's going to stay a secret, understanding that you got 50% credit from the whatever was given to the other 2 in recognition of the effort in vain.

sorry

[Edit: The "Finished Docking number 0" near the end suggest something did get lost... was the task once or twice restarted ? Normally should not harm though! ]

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[Nov 5, 2008 12:57:24 PM]

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Re: FAAH 4560 WU inconclusive

Thank you for sharing that, then would make sure that in the next cycle i.e. jaunty we have atleast 6.2.26 (or if there is something more specific you may know about, lemme know so atleast can ask to the debian/ubuntu packaging people) . I do know its a moving target.

You don't tell which of the 2 "inconclusive" is yours. If you post the final quorum detail, could speculate. Possible the job had a wrong bit, which is enough to render a result invalid in a "bit for bit" comparison and given it was deemed "inconclusive" means that in principle it ran OK, possible interrupted during the run?

Mine was the third/last one. Will put up the stats after this post. Don't want to muddle everything in one post.

Very occasionally I have one post a power out, so unless you have more results going bad, it's going to stay a secret, understanding that you got 50% credit from the whatever was given to the other 2 in recognition of the effort in vain.

sorry

[Edit: The "Finished Docking number 0" near the end suggest something did get lost... was the task once or twice restarted ? Normally should not harm though! ]

Yes, I do have power cuts, something like once a day, but I do also have an APC UPS which thankfully does a graceful system shutdown couple of minutes before its batteries run out.

Also please correct me if I'm wrong. In case, one shutdowns the system and restarts the system, boinc will start working from last checkpoint, wouldn't it, then where should it fail.
I'm not bothered much by the credit (as in points given) but its interesting to learn and know what went and could go wrong and if any steps I could take to prevent the same.

Its also an off-chance that it might be a random experience but still give my best shot to understanding the same.

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