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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hey, currently I have a little over 368000 points. When I look at the stats in BONIC the "User Total" states that I have only about 52000, and that is also the number given in the screensaver or Show Graphics window. When using the All-In-One stats graphic it is this same number that is used. But no where on the WCG website is this value listed. What's up? thanks, g00dkn16ht
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Hi,
----------------------------------------Very soon you'll be seeing the same, or near same around the times when the twice daily My Grid statistics are updated. Until then you see here on the My Grid the BOINC points at a factor 7 .... long story soon moved to the permanent archives. ciao
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Former Member
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Do you have a link to this long story? If my points are going to be cut seven fold I would like to read why. Sounds like it has been discussed already so I will only ask for the link and not waste your time! :-) thanks, g00dkn16ht
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Former Member
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I would suggest that a) Its not about the points, its about the results completed and b) when the points calc is changed then everyone will have the same factor applied at the same time.
We do not own our points, we are granted them as a measurement of the time we have donated. If WCG decides to accurately change the way the points are distributed, we will surely receive an explanation, but we have no input into how they are calculated or granted.  |
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Former Member
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I would suggest that a) Its not about the points, its about the results completed and b) True, the end of what we are doing is for the greater good of humanity from the result we help provide. But you know as well as I that if there is no stat system where individuals can see a measure of accomplishment from the time they have put into it, that most who start crunching will soon lose interest. That's also a part of the purpose of teams and challenges, all of which is based on the integrity of that stat system. when the points calc is changed then everyone will have the same factor applied at the same time. I have no doubt about that because that is certainty within the WCG's best interest. If there was a renormalization of the points system that wasn't done fairly there would be a big lost of result being returned due to lose of interest in a broken system. Ultimately, I'm not really concerned about the totals being changed, even reduced seven fold, as long as a renormalization doesn't impact ranking. We do not own our points, we are granted them as a measurement of the time we have donated. Okay, but I own the systems their software is running on without charge. That's not a problem, I of course voluntarily chose to do that. But they have a stat system they have put in place and they are responsible for the integrity of that system. Reducing that point system by a seven fold value could hurt the integrity of that system if it's not done carefully. If WCG decides to accurately change the way the points are distributed, we will surely receive an explanation, but we have no input into how they are calculated or granted. Not input but our processor time, the WCG is not the only game in town or more accurately, the only good cause in town. Is there a explanation somewhere as to how BONIC is calculating WCG points vs. how the WCG is currently making that calculation? g00dkn16ht |
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Dataman
Ace Cruncher Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 4865 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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But they have a stat system they have put in place and they are responsible for the integrity of that system. Reducing that point system by a seven fold value could hurt the integrity of that system if it's not done carefully. It's just the opposite. WCG will be converting their "dog year" points system to match the industry standard with is BOINC credits. There are MANY people, world wide, that will not crunch here because of the WCG points system. Personally I'm anxious for them to convert to BOINC credits and join the rest of the world. Cheers!   [Edit 1 times, last edit by Dataman at Sep 16, 2008 5:24:47 PM] |
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Former Member
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Hey Dataman, Not opposite because I qualified the statement you quoted with "if it's not done carefully". Like I stated, I don't have a problem if the system needs to be normalized with another standard even if that results in a point reduction.
I'm sort of new to this distributive computing thing and wondered why when people, as you do, have their stats in the sig, that the WCG points are always so high. Now I know! That was why I stated this thread, I didn't know there was a different standard. Thanks for the input! I would like to see a clear explanation of the algorithms used for these calculations though. So far I haven't found one. g00dkn16ht |
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Former Member
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Even with BOINC credits, points do not compare between different BOINC projects. The idea that points are worth the same is a complete myth.
Life would be a lot easier if Berkeley stopped trying to create the illusion that they are comparable. |
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Dataman
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Even with BOINC credits, points do not compare between different BOINC projects. The idea that points are worth the same is a complete myth. Life would be a lot easier if Berkeley stopped trying to create the illusion that they are comparable. I completely agree D! Some projects are very liberal with their BOINC credits and I, among many, would like to see Berkely set and enforce a standard. I will not hold my breath until that happens though.  |
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Former Member
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I, among many, would like to see Berkely set and enforce a standard. I will not hold my breath until that happens though. :)) So is it the Berkely standard that the WCG will be switching to? g00dkn16ht [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 16, 2008 7:53:13 PM] |
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