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Former Member
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What's the best for crunching (and multitasking)? Looking at a new quad; the fully decked (max FSB, L2, and Ghz) is an extra $1150. So what's more important?
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Former Member
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For that price, you could probably buy two of the basic model. For crunching, the bleeding edge isn't the most cost-effective.
More L2 cache will certainly help with some projects. But we have a mix of projects at WCG. They don't all benefit from the same things. |
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twilyth
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Unless you're talking about Shanghai or Nehalem where the number of cores may be an issue (Sao Paolo may have 2 6 core MCM'ed for a 12 core package, but then so may Nehalem). For current architectures, it depends on whether you plan to overclock aggressively. A Q6600 can easily do 3.2 ghz with air cooling (very,very good air cooling of course) - assuming you get the latest stepping (E0???) and 3.6ghz running 24/7 is not uncommon. Some of the Black Edition Phenoms can go to 3ghz or higher with the SB750 chipset, but it's still not clear how the new ACC feature affects oc'ing characteristics so it's not as straight forward as with the intel Q's and QX's.
----------------------------------------If you're not going to overclock, then flops per cycle are not that different between Intel and AMD and AMD is, I believe, still a bit cheaper. AMD historically has had better latency for memory access due to it's built in memory control but I don't think this gives it an advantage over Intel when it comes to boinc. I would go for the cheapest chip/mobo combination for a given stock speed and work from there. Intel's architecture I believe is a little more efficient for current offerings, so I think you would get your most bang for your buck with a Q6600 plus you will have room to oc later if you decide to do so (and you get an oc friendly mobo/bios). Or if you go with a Penryn like the Q9450, you'll get lower power consumption over AMD's phenoms. It's really a matter of weighing all of the factors that are important to you. Good luck. Robin ![]() ![]() |
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RicktheBrick
Senior Cruncher Joined: Sep 23, 2005 Post Count: 206 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Here is my experience. I have several computers ranging from a 2.8Ghz celeron to q6600 quad computers. The fastest is a q6600 running vista. It is faster by about 25% over the same q6600 running xp. I have two q6600 running xp and they have around the same amount of results. I have retired all of my single processors since even the fastest of them(amd 3000+) could only do about a sixth of what a quad will do. I have a amd duo rated at 4200+ and it does not even do a third of what the quads do. As you can see I am a big fan of the quads but Intel is about to announce a processor with 6 cores so waiting a couple of months might be the answer. I do not know if it matters but I am in 812th place by points so I do take this a little bit seriously.
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Former Member
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A quad is overkill for most desktop users, but they sure are fun!
---------------------------------------- For crunching, it's all about the GHz and # of cores. FSB speed, RAM speed and timings are pretty much meaningless. This can also apply to many desktop apps as well. The FSB and RAM just arn't a bottleneck with the Core architecture.I wouldn't invest big bucks in a quad system right now. Nehalem is mere months away. A Q6600 is still the best bang for the buck! The new 45nm quads are slightly faster(~10%) clock for clock and may run a bit cooler, but overclocking is extremely limited due to the low multiplier. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 5, 2008 4:36:27 AM] |
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mikaok
Senior Cruncher Finland Joined: Aug 8, 2006 Post Count: 489 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I wouldn't invest big bucks in a quad system right now. Nehalem is mere months away. A Q6600 is still the best bang for the buck! The new 45nm quads are slightly faster(~10%) clock for clock and may run a bit cooler, but overclocking is extremely limited due to the low multiplier. What coolers are you using with Q6600 in BOINC use? My current intel stock cooler is the noisiest part of my case (e4400) and I definitely will buy a better one for my upcoming quad. The Noctua C12P seems good but pricy as it is not coming for heavy OC (over 3,0GHz) use ![]()
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Former Member
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Apparently the price of quad cores are dropping -- I just bought a HP quad core, 6 Gig RAM, 720 Gig HD, 64-bit Vista Home Premium the other day at Best Buy for a little more than $800.00 USD. I wasn't looking for one when I went there but they had it on the shelf and I said to myself that I had to have one. Of course its overkill for a desktop, but I needed a new computer and that was it.
Now I'm looking for programs that can take advantage of all those cores. |
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Former Member
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What coolers are you using with Q6600 in BOINC use? My current intel stock cooler is the noisiest part of my case (e4400) and I definitely will buy a better one for my upcoming quad. The Noctua C12P seems good but pricy as it is not coming for heavy OC (over 3,0GHz) use ![]() I use water cooling on my main machine. My wifes computer has a Q6600 G0 at 3.2GHz cooled by a Noctua NH-U12F with push/pull fans and it has worked well for many months. Temps are in the mid 50's Celcius under load. I also have a few others cooled by a Coolermaster GeminII heatsink and it works well also and has the added benefit of complete motherboard cooling as well. Unfortunately it has been discontinued and is only available on eBay. The Noctua C12P looks like a nice down draft cooler. I can also recommend the Sunbeam Tuniq Tower, Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, or any of the new "direct touch" heatpipe coolers made by Xigmatek, Kingwin, OCZ, Sunbeam. I also highly recommend having a motherboard with heatsinks on the PWM mosfets around the CPU socket. These get extremely hot when running a quad. Most high end boards come with them but if yours did not, you can buy some BGA RAMsinks and stick them on. They'll also need airflow, either from a down-draft CPU cooler, or a small fan placed near them. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 7, 2008 3:27:23 AM] |
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mikaok
Senior Cruncher Finland Joined: Aug 8, 2006 Post Count: 489 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I also highly recommend having a motherboard with heatsinks on the PWM mosfets around the CPU socket. These get extremely hot when running a quad. Most high end boards come with them but if yours did not, you can buy some BGA RAMsinks and stick them on. They'll also need airflow, either from a down-draft CPU cooler, or a small fan placed near them. Thanks. I forgot to mention that my mobo is Abit IP35-E, so this was valuable information. I read from some forum that NH-C12P gives some cooling for PWM, so that is one main reason I have thought about it. And in addition it has a great mounting system and good fan included.
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Former Member
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What coolers are you using with Q6600 in BOINC use? My current intel stock cooler is the noisiest part of my case (e4400) and I definitely will buy a better one for my upcoming quad. The Noctua C12P seems good but pricy as it is not coming for heavy OC (over 3,0GHz) use ![]() I use this as a cooler: Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Heatsink Be sure to get them to lap it for you and make sure it will fit on your MB. Thermalright.com has a list of MB's this cooler will fit. and have this as the fan : Panasonic Panaflo FBA12G12U1BX 120 x 38mm Fan Ultra High Speed With RPM Sensor My Q6600 is OC'd to 3.4; under full load sits between 47 - 51 degrees c on the hottest core and 39-42 on the coolest core. Of course, I have 6 case fans that are all high volume in the standard pull -> push configuration and the inside of the case is a lot like a small wind tunnel. The other thing that may be of significance for you is, the metal grills in the case where the fan's mount up, have all been surgically removed. These grills typically block up to about 40% of the total space and can really restrict the amount of airflow through the case. I do everything I can go eliminate as much restriction as I can to help keep the case as cool as possible. Hope this helps |
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