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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I wonder whether some MS Win update in the past few weeks caused some funny things.
----------------------------------------This started happening a few days ago. I have all updates in except for some Vista Ultimate language packs. It was on rice, which previously crunched enough for a badge. The rice units I had in there finally finished and I changed it to HCC and DDD-T. The project makes no difference. The mouse pointer stops and the computer becomes unresponsive. Windows key or ctl-alt-delete will not do anything. The fans are still running but the disk activity light is inactive. It always takes a hard shutdown and a reboot to fix. It happens at random times. BOINC runs for as short as a little while or as long as overnight, but the times are becoming short apart enough to be annoying. It is not continuously rebooting --- just a freeze after some uptime. It crunches successfully. The problem seems to be all over the net. Searching for "Vista freezing" or "Vista freezes" brings up all sorts of stuff. I cleaned out the temp files and tried a defrag, with no change of results. This is a desktop Vista Ultimate with 4 Gb of memory running BOINC 5.10.45. I think I will leave BOINC out of it for a couple of hours to see whether less than 100% load makes a difference, and then I may try a throttled BOINC version just to experiment. Disk activity is just every now and then as usual, and doesn't seem excessive. The Win XP computers continue to crunch correctly.
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Jord
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The last time I had something like that, it was my motherboard that had its capacitors popped. Only could get around it with a new mobo. So it won't hurt checking that either. See this to check what I mean.
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retsof
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This is a better quality ASUS mobo, but anything goes, if components are made by the lowest bidder. I'll look around the next time I'm in there to clean the fuzz out. Thanks for the heads up.
----------------------------------------I am doing some random websurfs on that machine now with no problem. I am replying from Vista. BOINC is not running at the moment. Vista has been up for a couple of months. I disabled AERO after only a couple of days because it was sluggish, even on a fast machine. I'm still thinking that it's getting lost somehow in a high activity mode. MS was supposed to do something to speed up the disk access time, but don't know whether it's cycled in or not. I have 2 hard drives, and the win swap file is on the 2nd one. I wonder whether that file could be either too large or too small (doubt this one). After a couple of hours with nothing happening, I restarted BOINC and reset to 75% throttle. It jumps around, but it's not at 100% all of the time. If it's still good, I'll raise it a bit. It's been 1/2 hour with no problem. Tried 95% with network active and a bit of surfing. Froze. Running at 90% throttle for about 3 hours with no freezes. Is BOINC having problems backing off for a higher priority job in VISTA?
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Sekerob
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You could always go back to a restore point of before the freezing?
----------------------------------------Now when was Vista Update Tuesday? It so happens that out of cycle this morning there was a note in the systray to say that kb947562 of 3.3mb was ready for download and install. The detail http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947562 Strangely the date is April 8, rev 1.0 but shown as "May 2008 Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 Application Compatibility Update" Who knows. If its not bloated capacitors, try incrementing the cores allowed for BOINC and run OCCT to get a temp analysis from the various sensors. My OCCT uses Speedfan for the readings. Never done this, but if the cooler on the CPU is not properly seated it might be in need of a thermal paste refresher.
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retsof
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You could always go back to a restore point of before the freezing? I could if I had to. It's not dead yet. The small backout in the BOINC throttle settled it down.Some word out there is that Vista has to "learn" about itself and gradually "improves" after several reboots. This may happen after major updates. I may try another BOINC test at 100% after waiting a week or so. The computer is only a couple of months old, and had a fresh coat of thermal paste (by me) at that time and a large Zalman fan. Because of the BOINC throttle, the CPU temp is bouncing around a bit, but CPU temps have been between 51 degrees C and 58 degrees C when it is at 100%....within reason. The machine is about 5% overclocked to 3.45GHz. I may try taking that off and running at stock speed of 3.2GHz and BOINC at 100%, but not yet. I'd rather keep the core speed high for a different application, which can only run in one core. BOINC throttle is running at 90% and it has been stable overnight. I'll try a little websurfing on it to see how that does. (I'm on an XP machine at the moment here for this message.) I got a MS update this morning that is going around. It has something to do with reading files on IE7.
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