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Is the grid for real or a con

Hi ,, I have been a member for some time recently i promoted the grid on my poker forum and got some flack concerning the validity of given your time to the project by a fellow member,, here is a copy of his first attack at the grid what are your thoughts,,,,,,,,,"It is not scam but it is not SETI also. It seems to me when i looked at research projects they are doing at this time that all those projects are researched by non-profit organizations that receive funds from sponsors and mostly governments.
While i dont have nothing against finding a cure for those diseases i do have something (multiply this by lets say million) against for-profit organizations trying to share their expenses with those people that will in the end pay for their products.

If you search deaper into those non-profit organizations you will find members of various investment corporations in Board of Trustees, non-profit organizations Board of Directors, and if you really want i could try to digg deeper and see if any of those Investment corporations are owners or have their share in any of the for-profit research institutes related to research subjects of those non-profit organizations.
Another thing about these non-profit organizations is that they are used as bridges to suck out money from country/state budget and make them available to for-profit organizations as if they were their own. Which should not be done because if you receive money to invest in research for some disease from public budget, results from that research should be available to public and not sold to the public. This way for-profit organizations can say we never received any money from state government and they can claim patent in its entirety, and make huge profits by doing so.

SETI@home was project started when US government decided that it is not profitable to pay for that project and researchers came up with idea to process data they collect on peoples PC`s because funding was significantly decreased and they had to cut costs. Ok follow this. Go to world community home page. There are projects that are curently being researched. Click on more info about project and there will be a name of another non-profit organization which has actually initiated the research from world community. Go to home page of that institution, ive used aids research program because it is US based organization and has more info than french one on their site, and look at board of trustees and sponsors on Scripps research institute and you will find basic financial statement on their page too. You will see that they dont mention any public research whatsoever only sponsored and governement funded research.

EXAMPLE: Help conquer cancer project. 1st in the list on research page.
This is run in cooperation with Ontario cancer institute. Go to ontario cancer institute and youll see that they are part of UHN (University health network). Dont stop there but search throught site which is all marketing or go to this newsletter link directly and look in section 5 of that newsletter or seaerch for term "Tarceva".

http://www.uhn.ca/Media/releases/2005/july/pmh_obd_lung...

That is medicaly tested drug that prolong life of terminal lung cancer patients which is now being sold freely to the market. YES IT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC but follow this link to see at what prices.

http://www.drugstore.com/qxn50242006401_333181_sespider...

Am i still paranoid conspiracy theorist? "

I hope u can follow his argument I have not posted my replies to his posts but as u can see i hope he thinks the grid is wrong and a rip off,,,,,


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Re: Is the grid for real or a con

Sorry grampianwarrior (from Scotland?). Where the genuineness of the post got lost, on me, was the last plug of a gambling site, so I'll ask the admin to review and add a comment or whatever WCG feels appropriate.

Eventually someone will have to make the medicine, test it extensively for safety and that costs money. Only the sun goes up for free.

There are posts galore on these fora discussing the conspirativeness of it all.

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Re: Is the grid for real or a con

Sorry grampianwarrior (from Scotland?). Where the genuineness of the post got lost, on me, was the last plug of a gambling site, so I'll ask the admin to review and add a comment or whatever WCG feels appropriate.

Eventually someone will have to make the medicine, test it extensively for safety and that costs money. Only the sun goes up for free.

There are posts galore on these fora discussing the conservativeness of it all.

ttyl

ok,,,,I am still in the process of argueing with him ,,,think its about 8 posts now , but who really cares ,, yes it was a plug but not a gambleing site , i get points for referrals , sorry,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Is the grid for real or a con

If they were good poker players, they would have kept their poker face and not shown any enthusiasm. After they got out of earshot and back home, they might have looked into the grid.
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Perhaps they did but after 5 days I have only recruited 1 member for my team ,, but i live in hope
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until this whole thread goes away ... not the right forum for recruiting

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Re: Is the grid for real or a con

grampianwarrior, your acquaintance seems confused - all research is funded one way or another. The projects run here are not run from somebody's garage! WCG is run and funded by IBM. Many of the projects run here are funded by government grants.

All WCG require is that the projects are run by non-profit organisations, and that the direct results are placed in the public domain.

Yes, others are going to try to profit from these results. But the work done here can't be patented.

Really, there isn't a lot one can say to a conspiracy theorist. Good luck!
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Re: Is the grid for real or a con

If you look closely enough at anything you're going to find connections that could be considered disturbing. Did you ever play 6 degrees of separation? Everyone and everything is EVENTUALLY connected to everyone/everything else. People who criticize these sorts of open projects are either clinically paranoid (as opposed to the average, garden variety like moi) or have an axe to grind. These are the same people who see the Bilberg group or the Illuminati behind every major world event. And I'm sure that by just putting out the facts about WCG other people on your forums will see this guy for the nut job that he seems to be.
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hmmm.... Illuminati Rosso Doc, got a few in the rack.... on my fav list, palpable and relatively cheap.
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yeah,, well the feedback seems to be that he is a bit of a nut who just likes to argue so i have withdrawn honourably i hope from the argument,,,,on the plus side i got to more people from my forum removed i notice to join the community,,,so kaysara
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