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Former Member
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I downloaded Bonic-IBM default apps and was running it in Mac Pro on 8 processers. Rosetta was running along with it. If there is any Bonic software that can take advantage of Leopard at 64 bit, I'd prefer to be using it. Is 64 bit available?
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Sekerob
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Get here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
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Movieman
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Get here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php (Sees chance, seizes opportunity)  Hi Sek: An idea for you. What about a test project. Say make up a dozen WU(or more) in 64 bit and lets actually see if it's worth the effort. Lets be honest with one another. There is a huge multitude of 64 bit capable machines on this project although I will grant you that most use Win XP Pro or home 32 bit. I would be willing to bet money that there are at least 10,000 machines running 64 bit OS right now and if they could cut X time might it not be worth the effort to see how much time they can cut and accomplish more work? Thanks.  |
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retsof
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An idea for you. What about a test project. Here's a test project thread, more for individual consistent testing of workunits. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=15227
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I gave up on beta tests after
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Movieman
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An idea for you. What about a test project. Here's a test project thread, more for individual consistent testing of workunits. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=15227 What I'm trying to find out is how much faster the WU can be done if in 64 bit. If it's 1% then I can understand not going thru the time to set up for 64 bit. If 10% or more I think there's a great untapped resource not being looked into. If you had 64 bit I could promise you a 1000 machines on it in a week from XS..and GOOD machines! |
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Sekerob
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MM,
----------------------------------------Make it 1000 machines + Me; Mine and I as it simply would need fliping the OeS, which by as much as 70% was reduced in price, but not ear (Hercule Poirot diction required ;+) It would be nice to have a real test of WCG science in 64 bit as what is sold and told on other projects varies, hence not going into debate of what the gain would be on intense floating point processing with a CPU that i think still has a 32bit FP register (but folk may slap me in face for that). The housekeeping would improve where some experts(?) claim 15% gain. (Turns around and goes in hiding  )
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Movieman
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MM, Make it 1000 machines + Me; Mine and I as it simply would need fliping the OeS, which by as much as 70% was reduced in price, but not ear (Hercule Poirot diction required ;+) It would be nice to have a real test of WCG science in 64 bit as what is sold and told on other projects varies, hence not going into debate of what the gain would be on intense floating point processing with a CPU that i think still has a 32bit FP register (but folk may slap me in face for that). The housekeeping would improve where some experts(?) claim 15% gain. (Turns around and goes in hiding )HMM.. Say we took that 15% number as gospel for a minute. And just for the sake of argument say we might get 30,000 machines switched over to 64 bit. Wouldn't that have the effect of "adding" the work of 4500 new machines to the project? The question to me is how much work is involved to give it a try. I don't know the software end but I do honestly think that it's past time to take a serious look into 64 bit computing for what we do. We're at the point where there are some pretty capable machines available to us. From the Clovertowns and Kentsfields to the Yorkfields and Harpertowns available now and then Nehalem coming in November. I thought my Clovertowns were pretty "hot stuff" but we have a guy on the team with a Yorkfield on water running WCG at 4150mhz and he with 4 cores is darned close to my 8 core output at 3150. I have 2 Harpertown builds planned in the coming weeks and I think I can get them to 4000mhz for 24/7 use on WCG. Those Two machines should do as much as 3 Cloverown machines would at 50% of the electrical cost and a vastly reduced heat output. Would love to try them on 64 bit.. Here's another set of numbers for you on electrical usage: One of our guys grabbed a pair of 5420 harpertowns, tossed into a SM X7DAL-E which is not the newer 5400 chipset(Seaburg) but the older 5000X(Greencreek) Clocked them to 2800 and is equaling my clovers output at 3150 in the same board BUT his electrical draw is 233w vs my 421w. Just that is a huge advance. I know, this hardware talk is slightly OT but I think the advances that are here are telling us it's time to take the step to 64 bit even if it "hurts" a little when we make the first run at it. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Movieman at Mar 3, 2008 9:28:26 AM] |
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Former Member
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Hello Movieman,
64-bits is a new homogenous redundancy task for a project. On the other hand, we are dropping UD and slowly leaving Mac PPC. Now, if we could only unify the two different Mac OS X x86 32-bit varieties! My guess is that none of this year's new projects will have a 64-bit application. knreed keeps track of what kinds of operating systems are requesting work. Perhaps next year, if we have a large number of machines on a particular 64-bit OS, we might experiment with a new project application. I have no idea how many of our machines are running Vista 64 or Linux 64. The downside is the increased workload in boarding an application, then maintaining the work queue. The upside is the increased efficiency of the application. The gain is much less than expanding to an equivalent number of new systems, so there have to be a large number of systems running that 64-bit OS for it to be worth the increased effort. Lawrence |
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Sekerob
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The below lists are courtesy of BOINCstats and are all time, *not* active:
----------------------------------------OS based http://boincstats.com/stats/host_os_stats.php?pr=wcg&st=0 CPU based http://boincstats.com/stats/host_cpu_stats.php?pr=wcg&st=0 There are by the looks bigger numbers that are 64bit capable but not having the 64bit OS to begin with, so it is indeed knreed and the WCG team having 'real' numbers to mince. How attractive it would be after dropping UD and merging various OSX versions to make room for tech/programmer time to tackle a 64bit implementation is a big ?
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