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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
You raise a fascinating prospect.... apply the model of FOSS (Free Open Source Software) to drug development.
Imagine how it would change the world if scientists from around the world collaborated on new drugs by donating their time and expertise via the Internet . Add in the resources of a vast HPC grid of free computer cycles. Perhaps drug development would cost billions of dollars less, and held under a GPL like license (patent?) they could be made available at cost to all who need them in much the same way Linux distributions are available at the cost of media. |
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spanky
Cruncher Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline |
Here's another perspective on the subject.
Right now all we need to do is to participate. The successes we achieve through our present participation, will give us all the leverage we need in the future. There will come a time when the power and achievements of Grid processing become widely accepted fact. Since Grid processing depends upon "winning over" private users, undoubtedly there will be increased competition for this valuable processing time. This will give the users the real bargaining power. We will then have the ability to select those projects which are truly useful to humanity AND where there are ample guarantees that all research results will be completely open to the public. I do not believe that the sponsors of this research will be so foolish as to risk permanently alienating users when there are so many countless hours of processing still left on the bargaining table. If we are wrong in our trust this time, this valuable research will still be completed. And in the long run, there will be an accounting. At that time, you can rest assured that our wants and goals will be respected. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
These last 2 posts are starting to mutate into a new topic, better carried on in Chat. If you look at Links on Distributed Computing ( http://www.distributedcomputing.info/links.html ) you can find plenty of people with ideas about how to use distributed computing. But let's keep this thread concentrated on the Human Proteome Folding Project and its progress.
Lawrence |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The HPF project is at the very cutting edge of what we can compute.
We're using the biggest computers , the newest potentials, we're developing the databases and confidence functions to deal with the data. So we are running at full bore and the science comes first, the PR comes second at this point. we're in the process of analysing the data, but: 1. giving incremental results distracts us from unsolved science problems. 2. the calcualtion is only 30% done. 3. this is research and it takes lots of patience. We're not going to find a cure for cancer in 2 months (no group can) That said, we'll have some preliminary results in the form of a few case studies in mid april. These will be examples of things that we've found in the data illustrated and the whole bit. The fully functioning database that we hope biologists will use is still in development and I can't say exactly it will be done. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
ok, ok, your right. We should find a way to make the global
team of crunchers feel like they know what they're doing. Would people be interestted in a web-cast course on what Rosetta is doing ... i.e. we start at a revision of things like molecular structure and end up at how we simulate proteins? If y'all are interested I could look into how to posibly do it... Mabey big blue or the university can help me out with the technical details. what do you think? everbody vote by replying to this post while i look into the it/facilities/streaming issues. |
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Former Member
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I would certainly be interested in being able to check a site and see exactly how far along the HPF is.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I notice that the 'Who wants to know?' thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2064 has had only about 120 views other than my own since it has been posted on 27 Feb 2005. This argues against taking a lot of time to prepare a talk for only a few people. A popular article for Discovery or New Scientist, written by a science journalist, might be reasonable at some point, such as when the database is released to the world, to ensure maximum awareness of a new resource.
My own ideas start off with a big thermometer on a poster display in the front of the state capitol here, showing how much money has been raised for the annual United Funds charity drive. While I am interested in the overall goal, my main interest is simply in my own small part. I'm a cruncher. How much crunching has been done and how much crunching has yet to be done? 6) Could you drop a note when a batch of results is received back at the ISB, so we can mark another step toward project completion? Dr. Bonneau's post of 5 March 2005 says: 1. giving incremental results distracts us from unsolved science problems. 2. the calculation is only 30% done. 3. this is research and it takes lots of patience. We're not going to find a cure for cancer in 2 months (no group can) I am assuming that 30% is the current status for 5 March, as 22% was the status for 18 February 2005. This is the real figure that I am interested in. So I can assume that we are doing at least, ummm, 2.5% a week (probably better) and have about 70% to go. Actually, there will be a lot of crunching done that has not been returned yet and we can hope that progress will speed up, so this is a very conservative, don't get hopes too high, sort of estimate. This is the simple sort of information that most of us want. Speaking of distractions and interruptions, I have always sympathized with Coleridge's problem with a person from Porlock. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Yep, I'd definitely be interested...
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I am assuming that 30% is the current status for 5 March, as 22% was the status for 18 February 2005. This is the real figure that I am interested in. So I can assume that we are doing at least, ummm, 2.5% a week (probably better) and have about 70% to go. Actually, there will be a lot of crunching done that has not been returned yet and we can hope that progress will speed up, so this is a very conservative, don't get hopes too high, sort of estimate. Hi everyone! Over the past three/four months almost 6000 years of work have been completed. And that is estimated to be 30% of the total. If there were no WCG to do this job, the whole project might have taken over 20,000 years for any cure based on this work to be developed. From the above quote (thanx, lawrencehardin), a bit of calculation tells me that by the end of september we may have almost rounded up the lot of what scientists currently believe is the total workload. But only as far as crunching the WU's is concerned! Some things may need further looking into, but at least all the gathered data will need to be catalogued, ordered, studied and so forth... To me that sounds like IF a cure for any kind of disease shows up from this research by mid 2007 (the most optimistic guess), we would be VERY lucky indeed. Projects such as this are so immensely large, we can't expect any more precise predictions about the outcome, I guess. Compare that to the estimated 20,000 years of work, and then ask yourself: why would we need any more incentive to just keep crunching? Within our lifetime we may see results that would otherwise not have been possible for the next 20,000 years. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 10, 2005 11:44:44 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
1. Six Months 2. Project is 20 percent completed 3. Put the World Community Agent on more Computers preferably in the 3 ghz plus range. Crunch ON!!!! My Athlon2.20 rips over my P4 3.0 ![]() |
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