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Thread: WCG projects get much less CPU than the others on BOINC client |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi.
I'm using the boinc client with gridrepublic account manager from a long time. I just did a "typical" instalation: 1) created my account on gridrepublic selecting all projects in biology/medecine (including all of WCG) 2) installed boinc manager on my windows xp and attached it to my gridrepublic account so... what happens? By default, each project gets the same amount of CPU time. The problem is BOINC sees WCG as "one project". So, in the end, what happens is that ALL projects from WCG, together, get the amount of time one of the other "BOINC non-WCG" projects gets! I think this "default" behaviour is completely unnatural and unfair. I wrote the gridrepublic guys about this "problem". It seems the cause is that WCG don't make its projects available separately. Here is their answer: [...] We agree, and we have asked WCG to make the projects available separately, but they do not want to do this, at least not now. [...] Then, they showed me how to change weights in the projects of my selection to get that "equality" between the projects. But that's not my concern. My concern is the results of the default installation (the one people do 99% of the time) This behaviour is clearly harming WCG projects (i think most of the people use the boinc client). Is there any reasonable solution to this problem? |
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Former Member
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Yes, most people run WCG exclusively.
People who enjoy running many BOINC projects are usually smart enough (like you) to ask about how to give WCG a fair share. |
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retsof
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The default (100) gets proportioned equally as other BOINC projects are added. When you have 4 BOINC projects, each one by default gets 100/400 or 25%. You are certainly allowed to change this to any number you want for each BOINC project. I have used as little as 0.01.
----------------------------------------It may also be easier to hit the update button "No new tasks" on the project list if you want to suspend one BOINC project for awhile. That reminds me that I need to do that for WCG myself and let the queue drop, since I will soon be out of town for a week.
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Former Member
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Yes, most people run WCG exclusively. Pardon me? What do you mean? I'm talking about the boinc-client users here. And i think most of the boinc-client users run non-WCG projects (maybe also some WCG projects). The thing is, the ones that, like me, run both non-WCG and WCG projects, end with a default behaviour which is unfair People who enjoy running many BOINC projects are usually smart enough (like you) to ask about how to give WCG a fair share. The problem is the following: i'm promoting the execution of BOINC telling about it to my friends, some school directors, etc. I did some blog entries explaining how should they install GridRepublic. And the process must be simple. Is is nonsense to have to hack weights to get fairness! Most of the people will try out the installation only if it is simple enough... Again, why can't WCG make its projects available separately to make everyone's life simpler? |
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Former Member
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Sorry, i don't think this is a solution to my problem.
The problem is: default instalation, in boinc clients, results in unfair share of resources (CPU) time between WCG projects and non-WCG projects. I know you can trick... but that's not the question here. Most people won't spent time tricking... |
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Former Member
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Hello andresgr,
----------------------------------------I am uncertain of your definition of fair. WCG is treated as just another project by BOINC. By some definitions, this is fair. If you want each individual project within WCG to be treated equally with other BOINC projects, you will have to change the default weight assigned to WCG. Lawrence Added: Didactylos gives a much better and more complete answer below. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 3, 2008 4:45:21 PM] |
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Former Member
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World Community Grid need to keep control of the project weights. That is the major reason why it is the way it is. There are other reasons, including some that are no longer relevant. But that's the main reason.
Coming from the BOINC way of doing things, you are casually assuming that most World Community Grid members are just adding WCG as one project among many. That's just not the case. With the exception of some of the BOINC teams that have added WCG to their project list, nearly everyone here installed BOINC purely to run World Community Grid, with a 100% share. Almost nobody here uses Grid Republic. Don't promote BOINC. Promote World Community Grid. That way, you will get a better response from school directors and other people with large computing resources at their disposal. Why? Because World Community Grid guarantees a much higher level of security than any other BOINC project. All server communications are secured, and all science applications are security audited by IBM. It simply isn't safe to run random BOINC projects on school or company computers. |
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Former Member
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nearly everyone here installed BOINC purely to run World Community Grid, with a 100% share. Almost nobody here uses Grid Republic. Sorry, what do you mean with 'here'? Don't promote BOINC. Promote World Community Grid. That way, you will get a better response from school directors and other people with large computing resources at their disposal. Why? Because World Community Grid guarantees a much higher level of security than any other BOINC project. All server communications are secured, and all science applications are security audited by IBM. It simply isn't safe to run random BOINC projects on school or company computers. So... why i'm supposed to trust more IBM than say Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (proteins@home)? Also... do you know about the security measures BOINC projects can use? PKI, Digital signatures.... I don't believe running WCG projects is safer than running "well-known" boinc projects (rosetta@home, proteins@home, boincsimap, etc.) |
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Former Member
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'here' is WCG which was running with many hundreds of thousands of crunchers long before Boinc came along....Boinc is the new-boy on the block and the thousands here are just getting around to changing over....we like WCG and if you check figures you will find the we lead the life sciences by a wide margin and many thousands do not bother to do anything else...
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Former Member
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Hello andresgr,
 Well, I cannot call it 'nationalism', since WCG is not a nation. I suppose I will just call it 'particularism', as opposed to 'universalism'. Any way, any particular project will have advocates who denigrate all other projects. Let it ride and enjoy your computing! Lawrence |
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