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Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

This was written by someone with MS, but I think it generalises to other diseases, too - so I thought I would give it a wider audience.

http://www.multiplesclerosissucks.com/altmed.html

Read some of the other pages on the site, too - they're great! This guy has a wonderful dry sense of humour.

Seriously, now - on the subject of alternative medicine. Most alternative therapies do no harm. They do nothing at all! Others, though, can be very dangerous. They involve "natural" drugs in uncontrolled amounts, and can easily conflict with other medication. Most importantly of all, they haven't been tested (or more frequently, there have been a few inconclusive tests). Not that the people selling alternative medicine will tell you this! They find less rigorous tests. Subjective tests. You know, like "88 out of 100 women found this shampoo gave them glossier hair". It simply doesn't mean anything.

Steer clear, unless your doctor tells you it won't do any harm (and you don't mind wasting your money....)

I will leave you with Quackwatch - a great site for researching the truth about dubious health matters: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/altwary.html
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

I think alternative therapy and Eastern medicine is on the increase in this country. I personally have known a few people who believed herbs are more effective, safe and cheaper then modern drugs. An example is some people might prefer to take garlic to thin blood, lower blood pressure and lower cholestrol over taking multiple, expensive brand name drugs. Accupuncture has been show by some to relieve stress and certain chemicals in the blood associated with heart disease and other health concerns. My gf knows a friend working at a college here in Minneapolis which has started specializes in alternative therapies and medicines.

You see the advertisement on tv for books like, 'Secret Cures they don't want you to know about.' They seem to make the modern drug industry into an evil giant, which only cares about the responsibility to stock holders to pursue big profits. They claim the modern drug industry and the FDA are in bed together, that the protocols are NOT written up to find CURES. They claim the drug industry only wants to 'treat the symptoms', so that you will be taking drugs for the rest of your miserable life and they profit from you for the rest of your life. I did a sixteen page report for a class a few years back on the FDA and alternative medicines. The FDA requires that nobody can make a claim that a 'non-made man', synthesized drug can be used to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease, illness or injury. A place selling herbs can not legally say what they can be used for, however they can sell you the herbs. Vitamin manufactures might put labels on their products not stating, 'This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intentended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.'

I think people with cancer and other serious problems are the biggest victims of all. With most cancers doctors really can't offer much hope to patients and treatsments are expensive, involve massive doses of chemotherapy and radiation. Some alternative therapies and medicines claim to put the cancer into total remission within months. They claim they have the miracle cure and the answer patients so desperately need and want to hear.

The modern health care system in American usually doesn't or look for the root cause of a disease, condition or problem. To make such a possible diagnoses doesn't always change the treatment and it is very costly and time consuming. Doctors have the job to write up drug prescriptions based on 'symptoms.'

I believe the interest in alternative therapy is a barometer, as to how poorly or well our modern health care system is dealing with disease and patients. It is a symptom of the disease of our health care system and our unhealthy, Americanized life style. It is also a indirect indication as to how many people are not properly insured in this country(1 out of 7).

Quakewatch is a good website. Anyone seen, Michael Moore - SiCKO?
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

Seriously, now - on the subject of alternative medicine. Most alternative therapies do no harm. They do nothing at all!


That's quite a broad generalization.

Others, though, can be very dangerous. They involve "natural" drugs in uncontrolled amounts, and can easily conflict with other medication.


Quite true for some, but not all.

Most importantly of all, they haven't been tested (or more frequently, there have been a few inconclusive tests). Not that the people selling alternative medicine will tell you this! They find less rigorous tests. Subjective tests. You know, like "88 out of 100 women found this shampoo gave them glossier hair". It simply doesn't mean anything.


Again, you're broadly generalizing. There are many supplements which are safe and effective. Others are safe, and may be effective, but need further studies.

Fish oil, soy, and soluble fiber for high cholesterol. Probiotics for diarrhea. Ginkgo for SSRI sexual dysfunction. These are just a few examples (and I can provide the studies if anyone would like).

Certainly, natural supplements cannot cure or even help many diseases. Nor do I advocate using them in lieu of all prescription drugs. Many of them are very beneficial though, and one shouldn't make hasty generalizations to categorically write them all off as quackery.

More studies need to be done for many of these. But what is the harm in drinking more green tea, or taking a few fish oil capsules?

And, as rbolo points out, western/modern medicine is symptom-based. There is hardly any discussion whatsoever about preventative medicine (e.g. eating high-antioxidant foods which have numerous studies in reducing the risk of various cancers - look at the "interesting medical news" thread for some examples).

Dave's link to serrapeptase:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=16849#134125
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

This is a topic people have strong opinions about.

Fun though it would be to go through the list of alternative therapies and debunk them one by one - fortunately, Quackwatch has done that already. Better yet, the articles are written by medical professionals, and all the statements are fully sourced.

Shall we start with the "A"s?

Acupuncture won't give you any long-term benefit - but what about the risks? "A survey of 1,135 Norwegian physicians revealed 66 cases of infection, 25 cases of punctured lung, 31 cases of increased pain, and 80 other cases with complications. A parallel survey of 197 acupuncturists, who are more apt to see immediate complications, yielded 132 cases of fainting, 26 cases of increased pain, 8 cases of pneumothorax, and 45 other adverse results" (Norheim JA, Fennebe V. Adverse effects of acupuncture. Lancet 345:1576, 1995.)

I could continue. But instead, I will refer you back to Quackwatch.
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

Why not look up garlic?

It seems that the purported health benefits simply aren't confirmed. There are studies going both ways, and the largest study showing a benefit was conducted in China - and is unlikely to have been conducted with the rigour we expect from such a study.

And this is one of the most popular, well known dietary supplements!

As readers of the news will know, every now and then a study is conducted that shows a health benefit in some everyday consumable - tea, wine, or whatever. The thing to remember is that, in isolation, these results mean nothing. You need to look at the bigger picture.

For most of us, the bigger picture is too much to take in. I know I don't want to study dozens of academic papers before taking a pill. So, ask your doctor.
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

Why not look up garlic?

It seems that the purported health benefits simply aren't confirmed. There are studies going both ways, and the largest study showing a benefit was conducted in China - and is unlikely to have been conducted with the rigour we expect from such a study.

And this is one of the most popular, well known dietary supplements!

As readers of the news will know, every now and then a study is conducted that shows a health benefit in some everyday consumable - tea, wine, or whatever. The thing to remember is that, in isolation, these results mean nothing. You need to look at the bigger picture.

For most of us, the bigger picture is too much to take in. I know I don't want to study dozens of academic papers before taking a pill. So, ask your doctor.



I think there are several complex factors at work. To start with the system is not setup to find out if any herbs, natural treatments or alternative therapy have a desired effect or not. I would agree that most alternative medicines and therapies are scams designed to make big profits fast and feed off the need people have. Big pharma is not interested if any naturally occuring free or cheap herb or plant can offer any natural benefit.

Ask a doctor? That is making the assumption everyone has a doctor to ask! Even at that, doctors can't legally give their opinion or advice on any regimen or drug not governed by the FDA. Big pharma invests a good amount of money into paying for loans and or grants for medical doctors. Medical doctors are some what owned by big pharma, so I could understand why some people have distrust in our medical health care system. They effectively push high cost drugs with dangerous side effects for anything.

I am not supporting the idea of using herbs or alternative medicines. But, good medical science has the responsibility to at least do well documented, unbiased trials to make the truth well known.

The medical health care system in the United States doesn't rate among the world best and you can't blame anyone for wanting to investigate alternatives.

Here is an article I just ran into today on Science Daily.

Consuming Extra Virgin Olive Oil Helps To Combat Degenerative Diseases Such As Cancer, Study Suggests

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080117101503.htm
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

Does 'Stem Cell' and 'Regenerative Therapy' fit under alternative medicine? There are many stories out there on benefits obtained through Stell Cell therapies.

New Mexico is looking at joining the ranks of California and Wisconsin in private Stem Cell funding.

http://kob.com/article/stories/S321018.shtml?cat=500

The University of Minnesota created a beating rat heart using Stem Cells.

http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?sid=492582&aid=60813

I'm not sure if Stem Cell is alternative medicine or not? But, I believe it is the new medicine our failing health care system, desperately needs.
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

Big pharma is not interested if any naturally occuring free or cheap herb or plant can offer any natural benefit.

Ask a doctor? That is making the assumption everyone has a doctor to ask! Even at that, doctors can't legally give their opinion or advice on any regimen or drug not governed by the FDA.


Exactly. Your doctor is unlikely to promote anything not fully-sanctioned by the FDA. The FDA has little or no interest in natural supplements which cannot be patented by pharmaceutical companies. There have been a few notable exceptions, such as the FDA's approval of health claims for soy and soluble fiber for heart heath.

The kind of studies produced by pharmaceutical companies will happen very slowly (if at all) for supplements. Unfortunately, most of these studies are conducted by universities with very limited funding. Hopefully the number and quality of studies will increase over time.

Until then though, I have personally found sufficient evidence for drinking green tea, taking fish oil, and intake of antioxidants (mostly dietary, but some supplements like alpha-lipoic acid). If I'm wrong and they're all quackery, what did I lose? About $15/mo - which isn't much for me.
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

I take 2 medications that were previously thought to be quack remedies

1. Lovasc (omega-3-acid ethyl esters)
2. Niaspan (timed release niacin)

These are now prescription drugs. The fact of the matter is that while there are plenty of quacks out there, some new remedies are found in old ones.

I know there are other examples, but none come to mind at the moment. Willow bark (as the source for the chemical cousin of aspirin) would be one, but that's a little dated.

Our knowledge of our own biochemistry is so paltry it's pretty much a toss up as to whether something will be helpful or harmful for certain groups of people. So if you want to be ahead of the curve, you have to be as well informed as possible and be willing to experiment.

For example, I don't believe in homeopathy because I've taken anything that actually works. But I can say the same thing about a lot of pharmaceuticals. Even if it turns out to just be a placebo effect, there are a lot of good arguments for capitalizing on that. After all, if something works, it works, regardless of the chain of cause and effect.

People get taken in because they want to be able to trust someone whom they believe knows more and has their best interests at heart. Especially since all the good research is going to be over the average person's head. But that doesn't mean that everything that isn't recognized by western medicine should be treated as trash. It's too easy to approach any topic with a black and white attitude. The intelligent person is selective and weighs claims on their merit, not based on whether or not they fall under a particular category.

Too bad QuackWatch doesn't highlight the posts where they were wrong. For example they have fish oil in the list but if you read the article you'll see that the study concluded it was beneficial.
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Re: Some thoughts on alternative medicine.

I wasn't clear, was I?

Ask your doctor if you are using alternative therapies to treat a particular disease. They can't tell you if it will work, but they can tell you if it is safe. It is especially important if you are also on prescription medication. Some herbal remedies DO conflict (possibly dangerously) with other drugs, so please be safe.

What any of you do on the basis of "it might possibly make me healthier" is none of my business (I just think it's a terrible waste of money).
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