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David Autumns
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It's all FLOPS on the WCG - that's floating point operations (i.e. Fractions instead of Integers)
----------------------------------------Usually the AMD Chips benchmark higher than the Intel equivalent clock for clock However the AMD's are usually slower as they are always playing catch up to Intel in terms of technology outgunned as they are for $'s  |
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David Autumns
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The plus side being they don't run as hot and consequently are cheaper to run
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Not every work unit is created equal nor takes the same amount of computer power.
Benchmarking is a complicated process and highly dependent upon the end user goals, needs, wants and desires. I'm not saying Intel doesn't make great processors for the majority of people. But, AMD is the force that insures we aren't paying high prices for relatively mediocre processors. Intel has had to design better processors for that reason and not just drone after profits like they have done so in the past. Projects like the WCG benefit as a whole from competition and innovation. I have owned both Intel and AMD. |
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crooks_uk
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Not every work unit is created equal nor takes the same amount of computer power. Benchmarking is a complicated process and highly dependent upon the end user goals, needs, wants and desires. I'm not saying Intel doesn't make great processors for the majority of people. But, AMD is the force that insures we aren't paying high prices for relatively mediocre processors. Intel has had to design better processors for that reason and not just drone after profits like they have done so in the past. Projects like the WCG benefit as a whole from competition and innovation. I have owned both Intel and AMD. rbolo29, I totally agree with your statement. I am very impressed with C2D chip from intel and this is the only chip I would put in a machine at the moment. I own both Intel and AMD machines, and will buy AMD if they offer better performance/value. We must have AMD otherwise intel chips would be twice as expensive and only half as fast as they are with AMD for competition.
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Sekerob
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So you want the best and someone else has to fund the competitions market place.... LoL. Since this is the chat room, I think the AMD's have an above share of faulty crunching jobs to their name. Never tallied it, but if there is a weird problem, AMD is being named in the report. Mind you, if it's 0.0001% of total jobs processed it's a statistic we all can live with.
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David Autumns
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You can hide Sek
---------------------------------------- I wager that it's because the Intel's have better temperature control characteristics i.e. they throttle down when they get warm (Do less crunching) Whereas the combination of a dust filled fan and an AMD isn't anywhere near as graceful  |
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Overclocking of AMD processors is the only time I've been able to detect processor errors using programs like Burn-In Test.
AMD processors can cause errors with even a 2% overclock in my experience. That is using Liquid cooling to boot and the performance benefit seems minimal then take into account the many extra errors generated as a result of OC. Projects like this take a hefty toll on the system, cooling and especially the power supply. I've killed a couple power supplies running AMD at 100% over the many years. Another problem is when I started using so called, Compressed Air to clean my computers. It turns out that it wasn't compressed air at all and had a fluorine/Clorined based gas in it that acted like a cleaner and refrigerant when sprayed on the motherboard. I noticed 2 computers failed immediately to shortly after the cleaning. Upon inspection the gas got so cold that it caused a brown substance to leak from the electrolytic capacitors on the motherboard as they essentially burst open on the top and bulged. I recommend sticking with a vaccuum cleaner or air compressor if that is whats being used over an expensive can of toxic gas. Distributed computing requires clean and relatively dust free computers. Especially true with AMD. |
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retsof
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It depends on the processor and whether the memory can handle it.
----------------------------------------A 2.4GHz AMD Windsor chip here does not like to overclock. Memory is DDR1 400/3200. Perhaps I haven't found the right combination. A newer 2.0GHz AMD Venice overclocks smoothly to 2.4GHz with a lot slower memory and puts out valid WU 24/7. I have a new AMD X2 6400+ black edition chip, antec cabinet/380W PSU for $29 after rebate and large zalman AM2 fan, but am awaiting DDR2800/6400 (at least) memory, better AM2 mobo (AMD recommends an ASUS M2N32-SLI) and HD (at least 0.5Tb) before starting the build. If it overclocks, fine. Otherwise, stock speed is 3.2GHz (Does that compare to a 4.0GHz Intel?) I figured that it would be quite a while before phenom matched that single core speed so went with this cost efficient solution for now. The X2 6400+ B.E. chip was only $179 at Fry's including a throwaway ECS motherboard. It's an older 90nm Windsor, but the large chip fan with copper fin wind tunnel should help that. Phenoms are 65nm.
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Hmmm...Now that I'm looking I need to raise some cash to build myself a new desktop system. I don't think my HP dv9500t(t7400) is meant to take the torture of running at 100% on both cores.
New Egg AMD Phenom 9500 Agena 2.2GHz Quad-Core 4X 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2 95W Processor - Retail $259 I was expecting the quad cores to cost more then that. $20 cheaper then an quad core Intel model. Maybe, build a quad core, 4 gigs ram, ATI HD, 1 TB HDD, 24" HD LCD..etc for around $2k |
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