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Former Member
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Hi !
I've got an IBM p650 (6 power4+, 12 GB,...). I was impatient to install boinc on that beast but it seems that i can't use it to help. As i read this thread i wonder why is there so few platform supported. Isn't Mac OS based on linux? Is there so much difference between the Mac for Power version and a Linux on Power? Therefore IBM is one of the sponsors !!! What a shame not to support their bests products!! So what can i do? Find another project that support my platform? Of course this platform isn't as wide spread as Intel but i guess it can contribute too. |
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Sekerob
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Google for BOINC Linux PPC and hit on SETI.... Stephen Hawking recently theorized that they probably exist but would be too primitive to send us a message.
----------------------------------------http://www.google.it/search?q=boinc+linux+ppc...cial&client=firefox-a Gain & Loss, Supply & Demand, how to reach the widest audience with a limited budget (millions) and offer the service of hosting a grid all for free to any scientist that has a viable grid fit project to crunch.... don't go on any niche tangents.... we already have 5 running projects on 4 platforms.... that's 20 versions to maintain and always 2-3 projects in the pipeline to get coded, tested launched to replace the ones before.
WCG
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Former Member
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Hello tURTLe_Fr,
The problem is allocating scarce resources. Programmers are very expensive and projects usually last a short time. So should they spend time adding another platform (OS and CPU) or instead try to improve the application program for major platforms? SETI@Home is a very long-running project that works on many platforms. You can look over the projects at http://distributedcomputing.info/projects.html and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php to see if anything will run on your computer. The World Community Grid does not host any projects that will run on your system. Best wishes, Lawrence |
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Hi Lawrence,
Thanks for answering. I understand what you mean but i can't see a difference that big between Mac OS on Power and Linux on Power to avoid porting the app on that platform. I don't realize the amount of work. May be you could describe me the process? I would gladly help if i can. I think that it could be a waste of time at the begining but once the process is well seated, the project would have great benefit from it. My machine works for Seti right now but for me little green men are not a priority. Finding cures is. Best regards, tURTLe_Fr |
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Sekerob
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Hi again,
----------------------------------------Thanks for offering but WCG wont let anyone near the science code, open source or not.... the risk of not getting the code right and useless results is too great.... everything running on the grid needs auditing, security checking, verification and and and. The economics are not there for very small platforms and whilst PPC is still supported, there will be a time like that will be getting the axe too. WCG had AC@H project running on Mac and it was taken off simply because there were not enough contributors causing delay on the overall project. Looking at BOINCstats host types is very difficult to discern how many Linux PPC there are, but what we know is that WCG monitors the number of attempts by any platform to attach to WCG. If there were many, from different devices, it might swing a vote, but not presently. ciao PS: Mac OS-X 10.5 is actually UNIX certified these days.
WCG
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I understand that you don't want anyone access the science code and all the precautions around (auditing, ....).
But i can't figure out why Mac OS on Power is supported (it is no?) and not linux on Power as those platforms are very similar. As you said, Leopard is UNIX certified. Would it be easier for you to have Unix on Power platforms? As i don't think Debian is UNIX certified. Furthermore, when you monitor the number of attempts do you consider the cpu_benchmarks? I mean these kind of machines are not common (maybe that's why there is no app for such platforms) that's right but they are far more efficient and often run continuosly! Bye, tURTLe_Fr |
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nswint
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Is it possible to put up a poll for OS and Build on the front page to see what "minority" architectures that might actually be warranted to add into the fold?
And have someone to digg it , slashdot it, engadget it, bbr ir, and gizmodo it for proper seeding to the tech world. WCG on the PS3, Xbox 360, maybe Wii, and Other Cell Processor Distributions would be a dream. Hi again, Thanks for offering but WCG wont let anyone near the science code, open source or not.... the risk of not getting the code right and useless results is too great.... everything running on the grid needs auditing, security checking, verification and and and. The economics are not there for very small platforms and whilst PPC is still supported, there will be a time like that will be getting the axe too. WCG had AC@H project running on Mac and it was taken off simply because there were not enough contributors causing delay on the overall project. Looking at BOINCstats host types is very difficult to discern how many Linux PPC there are, but what we know is that WCG monitors the number of attempts by any platform to attach to WCG. If there were many, from different devices, it might swing a vote, but not presently. ciao PS: Mac OS-X 10.5 is actually UNIX certified these days. |
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Former Member
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The minority platforms currently supported already barely justify that support.
WCG already have good penetration in the tech world, where they are competing with all the other (often technical) distributed projects. WCG want to harness the power of the average, non-technical user. WCG are actively looking for console-enabled projects. There are some difficulties, though. The manufacturers don't make it easy. Consoles still aren't as capable as desktop computers. Most projects can't make the investment that supporting consoles will involve. |
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