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Linux PPC Build

Do you know if WCG will ever support run on linux-ppc builds? If so this would be great as a start for PS3 and and ppc conputers converting to linux so the dreaded platform 'powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu' not found message will no longer exist
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Re: Linux PPC Build

Hello nswint,
Right now there is nothing scheduled. Some time ago WCG queried an expert about what would be neede to support the PS3, but I have heard nothing more about this.

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Re: Linux PPC Build

I can't find anyone who has a ppc linux distributed computing project except maybe seti, which is a waste of time IMHO. I would love to load Yellowdog linux on my ppc g5 but I have not found any project to run on it.
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Re: Linux PPC Build

I can't find anyone who has a ppc linux distributed computing project except maybe seti, which is a waste of time IMHO. I would love to load Yellowdog linux on my ppc g5 but I have not found any project to run on it.

Have you tried SIMAP? Their applications page lists ppc linux for both of the science applications:
http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/appdownloads.php
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Re: Linux PPC Build

Their project is periodic. They launch batches of new protein samples pulled from other database sources for similarity analysis usually on the 1st of the month. Often work availability is exhausted by beginning/middle/end of second week into the month. They want all done for uploads into other DB's by 15th. Got them on 5 weight points, so usually 5-10 jobs are pulled at the beginning of the series, after which it quickly exhaust the Long Term Debt and goes to sleep.

Their jobs are either 2mb or near 6mb DL (SIMAP runs 2 apps) and last an hour, so rather network heavy.... another reason for curtailing their crunching share (but that's a personal peev item). A Future BOINC function, mentioned in other thread also today is bandwidth limitation.... "okay you had your 100mb dl/ul this month.... you're on break". Maybe when it gets there, WCG can assign a DL/UL per project, so AC@H fans can do jobs with complete upload.... just 130mb, and smaller quorum.... un sogno.
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Re: Linux PPC Build

distributed.net supports the following OS and architectures;

[Acorn RISCOS] [AmigaOS] [AIX] [OpenBSD] [NetBSD] [FreeBSD] [BSD/OS] [DEC UNIX/OSF1] [PC-DOS/MS-DOS] [HPUX] [Linux] [Mac OS X] [Mac OS] [Novell NetWare] [NeXT/OS] [IBM OS/2] [IBM OS/390] [QNX] [SCO Unix] [SGI IRIX] [Solaris/SunOS] [DEC VMS] [Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2k/XP/2003] [Windows 3.x]

For how large and popular WCG is, I am really surprised they have not begun support more OS and archs.
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Re: Linux PPC Build

unk3mpt, we have had this discussion at WCG many times before.

In conclusion, minority platforms are a very low priority for WCG, because they consume a disproportionate amount of staff time for a very, very small return.
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Just to add my frustration about people unable to develop endianess independent software (Gentoo MiniMac G4 is refused, typical "Linux on PowerPC? Go away! message.)

I cannot see the point in "minority platforms are a very low priority for WCG, because they consume a disproportionate amount of staff time for a very, very small return". This shows pure lack of professionalism and knowledge. Neither the Linux platform is minor nor is the PowerPC platform.
Obviously do applications with better than poor design not pose this problem at all, e.g. handling Big/Little data endianess. I wonder why distributed.net tries so hard to support a huge variety of platforms? Must be that somebody has too much time to spend. - Or they simply hired/attracted people who are able to develop hardware indenpendent software.

Sad to read such statements here. Therefore I just decided, to stop the client on my two Intel computers.

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Re: Linux PPC Build

BOINC can run on many many platforms, but porting the sciences, not WCG's own (they host), are not and have been over years developed most probably without particularly that Big-EndiaNNess in mind.

http://www.codeproject.com/cpp/endianness.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness

If it were, WCG would have little hesitation me seems.

Sorry to see you go over this and while DN may be portable to many platforms, most big DC projects are not and aim for that untapped market of a billion+ PC's that run vanilla flavour Operating systems or a specialized one like ATI GPU's or PS3's.

Taking the vanilla road allows to host many instead of or just 1 or 2 projects with the limited financial resources that IBM has provided for WCG to work with.... and probably is still in excess of a few million USD to fund staff, networking, hosting and a secure / trustworthy environment that takes in many volunteers, colleges and corporation networks.

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Re: Linux PPC Build

-Ato-, this is based simply on the statistics. If a platform as major as the Apple Mac is just barely able to run on the grid due to there being so few contributors, what hope for a truly minority platform like Linux PPC? If you disagree, show me some numbers.

The truth may hurt, but I hope you don't leave on that account.

Convenient though it is to blame the technicians, the software is not written by WCG. The WCG techs just take existing software and prepare it for the grid. Each extra platform means more work.

distributed.net develop their own software, and they only have the one application to deal with. WCG don't have it so easy.

Some of these WCG applications are written in Fortran! Would you like the task of making an old science application that has evolved over decades work on dozens of different platforms? Feel free to submit your resume to IBM....
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