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Davethebrewer
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Benchmarks getting worse over time

Hi,
I have noticed that over the past month or so that my point output has been significantly decreasing for one of my systems (A Pentium 4 3.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM, Win XP, BOINC 5.8.16). This is matched with taking a lot longer to complete the work units. My "Host Average" points in BOINC have dropped from a 205 to 210 range to below 180 now.
Further checking reveals that my benchmark numbers have dropped significantly as well (I don't remember the exact values, but I was over 1200 per core for both floating point and integer, now I am under 900 for both).
I do not see any eveidence of hardware error in Device Manager, the clock speed shows up right on My Computer and so far I can't find any new programs that are running on my system. Overall except for BOINC nothing else seems slow when working on the PC.

Any ideas of things to check or has anyone else ever seen this?

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Dave
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Re: Benchmarks getting worse over time

Hello Davethebrewer,
Progressive speed deterioration? That is unexplained to me. The first thing I think of is malware running on your machine. Check Task Manager to see if it shows anything running. If not, then Exit BOINC and check the System Idle Process to make sure that it is pegged at 99%. Try downloading and running a free anti-malware program other than what you are currently running as a check.

Just which security programs are you running now?

Lawrence
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Re: Benchmarks getting worse over time

There's something wrong with the CPU. All my machines and many others I've seen published have a benchmark where the integer is mostly near double the floating point capacity. E.g. my P4 is about 1250 Whetstone and 2500 Dhrystone, WHEN BOINC is the only application loaded. Things like BOINCview and web browsers can depending on the moment in time randomly cause for the benchmark to be lower by a very substantial value.

Whatever the MS System screen tells you is not the actual CPU speed. For that you need a utility like CPU-Z.

Suggest you get ahold of a MS/SysInternals utility called "Process Explorer" as it giveS much greater depth and detail as to what is eating CPU time. Recently noticed with it, that there is an actual thing called Deferred Procedure Call. It is not shown in the regular Taskmanager and can consume between 0.5 and 3% of CPU resource of 1 core. Each process with PE can display a CPU usage graph. It shows usage with 2 decimal precision. Many little ones add up.

A drop in performance will cause a drop in points. The benchmark is an indicator, so if that goes down, the claims go down and consequently the credit. Sum the Whet+Dhry-stone values and divide by 480. That gives your approx. hourly claim.
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Davethebrewer
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Re: Benchmarks getting worse over time

There's something wrong with the CPU. All my machines and many others I've seen published have a benchmark where the integer is mostly near double the floating point capacity. E.g. my P4 is about 1250 Whetstone and 2500 Dhrystone, WHEN BOINC is the only application loaded. Things like BOINCview and web browsers can depending on the moment in time randomly cause for the benchmark to be lower by a very substantial value.

Whatever the MS System screen tells you is not the actual CPU speed. For that you need a utility like CPU-Z.

Suggest you get ahold of a MS/SysInternals utility called "Process Explorer" as it giveS much greater depth and detail as to what is eating CPU time. Recently noticed with it, that there is an actual thing called Deferred Procedure Call. It is not shown in the regular Taskmanager and can consume between 0.5 and 3% of CPU resource of 1 core. Each process with PE can display a CPU usage graph. It shows usage with 2 decimal precision. Many little ones add up.

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Thanks Sekorob and Lawrence. Yes, I also thought it odd that the floating point and integer were so close. The system I am on now is more normal with 1381 and 2661. After I wrote my note last night I restarted the system (no hard power off) and reran the benchmarks and got an increase of more thatn 30%, but the two were still nearly equal. I reran again about 10 minutes later and noticed a 30% drop so it does appear to be in part some process starting up late (or perhaps a heat issue causing the processer to slow down?).
I am running Winows Defender and occasional scans with Spybot - Search and Destroy. I have also run the Microsft One Care on-line scanner and never found anything. I did recently switch to Spybot 1.5.1 from 1.4 so I uninstalled that and turned off all of the resident scanners with no significant improvement.

I will grab CPU-Z and Process Explorer tonight or the next and see what I can find.

Dave
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Re: Benchmarks getting worse over time

In case you don't find any other cause, try switching your automatic windows update from daily to once a week. I've seen the daily setting have varying impact on different machines, ranging from no impact to totally stopping the Boinc client.
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Re: Benchmarks getting worse over time

Heat may indeed be the issue. Have you cleaned the cpu, ram, psu, etc lately? Most newer processor have thermal limits which slow the processor frequency when overheated. A lowered benchmark is certainly one explanation. Checked the temps with a monitor program or temp gauge?? Since the benchmark started normal, then degraded over time, I'd look at heat.
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